oh, and the old fashioned way, that actually CREATES community without forcing it punitively, FUNDRAISERS at the very very
local level...not political level....

Quoted from senders

oh, and the old fashioned way, that actually CREATES community without forcing it punitively, FUNDRAISERS at the very very
local level...not political level....

Community does not exist without force in the minds of many.

Quoted from sanfordy2

fyi you can get a season pass INCLUDING season parking for 56.99 for members of mohawk progressive credit union....just add 5.00 to join in a savings account...
with the parking{20.00 per time} its the flat out best price anywhere

You forgot to add the cost of buying the car and filling it with gas.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

You forgot to add the cost of buying the car and filling it with gas.

???  im sorry you dident understand that i was SIMPLY passing along a low rate if anyone was interested...but lets go further....we also need car insurance oil antifreeze power steering fluid brake fluid tranny fluid washer fluid sunblock bathing suits towels water shoes and a umbrella on top      

??? and why would i hide behind a screen name? when i registered the name sanfordy thru IE it wouldent work so i went to sanfordy2 thru chrome...and ?]

edited:forgot to add i dont really care who knows what i did or diden't do to improve the citys orchard street park...i did it because it needed doing and i wanted to!

Quoted from CICERO

Are you happy with your schools and parks in Schenectady?  It would be worse than that?  Or is that considered good?

Schools, no. Which is why I spend every dime on private school and can not afford the great escape, or rollerama, or the ice cream truck, or health insurance, or food anywhere other than ALDIS, or birthday parties, or....it's why we can not pay back any of our previously had debt and why we can't save to get ahead.....my spouse and I make well more than most in this city.  

And I know that most people can not afford private school, or private parks ,and creating a society in which their are no public, everyone is welcomed, institutions would create a two tiered society of the very rich and the very poor. And you and I, with our little, non important lives in Schenectady and Rotterdamn would not be in the very rich. Don't fool yourself into believing you are someone who would benefit from such a situation. You would be crushed.

And the steinmemtz park is very nice, I am happy with it. More money should be put into the upkeep of Central Park now.

Quoted from Parent

Schools, no. Which is why I spend every dime on private school and can not afford the great escape, or rollerama, or the ice cream truck, or health insurance, or food anywhere other than ALDIS, or birthday parties, or....it's why we can not pay back any of our previously had debt and why we can't save to get ahead.....my spouse and I make well more than most in this city.  

And I know that most people can not afford private school, or private parks ,and creating a society in which their are no public, everyone is welcomed, institutions would create a two tiered society of the very rich and the very poor. And you and I, with our little, non important lives in Schenectady and Rotterdamn would not be in the very rich. Don't fool yourself into believing you are someone who would benefit from such a situation. You would be crushed.

And the steinmemtz park is very nice, I am happy with it. More money should be put into the upkeep of Central Park now.

You and 10% of the rest of the country send their kids to private school.  90% of Americans send their kids to public school.  You ARE living in the two tiered society, and it's been created by government.  You've admitted that not everybody can send their kids to a private school because most do not have the means.  And why are there not more affordable private school options?  Because the public schools forcibly take money out of everybody's pocket(even yours that does not use the service) to fund them, and there isn't money left in most American's pockets to pay for it.  Public schools have a virtual monopoly on education(if you want to call it education).  They have the ability to tax(take money) to fund their schools. The tax  money poured into schools and into the labor market, drives up the cost of teachers, and private schools have to compete for the labor, driving up their costs.  Private schools cannot compete because they are competing with a monopoly that is guaranteed revenue through taxation.  Private schools rely on customer satisfaction, because if the customer isn't satisfied, they will leave - no more revenue.

If your theory was true, then it would be the same for all areas of society.  Let's look at cars.  There are people that can afford a Toyota Yaris, and there are people that can afford a Mercedes Benz, and everything in between.  You can look at technology - How many "poor" people have hi def flat screen TV's?  You can get a hi def tv for $250 up to $5000, with no public option.  The free market makes products and offers services for EVERYBODY in society, because the free market doesn't work without customers, and everybody is a customer, and everybody is competing to satisfy their customer.  By offering the best service, best product, at the lowest price.  

I truly can't understand that a person can admit that the public school which they choose not to use because it sucks, is an advocate for subjecting the rest of their community to such a miserable school.  90% of American children go to public school because the tax system is structured in such a way, that most will not have a feasible option because it is financially impossible.  

This current system is a feudal cast system Parent.  Your decision to send your children to private school is in hopes of getting your children higher in the cast system.  And for that I commend you.

Bottomline -
Public parks are necessary to maintain the quality of life in a community for ALL residents. People of ALL ages, socio-economic and other groups benefit from the presence of properly maintained parks in their community.  The $500,000 investment in improving Steinmetz Park was well spent.  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Bottomline -
Public parks are necessary to maintain the quality of life in a community for ALL residents. People of ALL ages, socio-economic and other groups benefit from the presence of properly maintained parks in their community.  The $500,000 investment in improving Steinmetz Park was well spent.  

Bottomline of your opinion?  They are not necessary.  Private parks serve the same purpose, they already exist.  It isn't something new.  

Quoted from sanfordy2

... the citys orchard street park...!

Is there another Orchard St besides the one that goes between 1st ave and 3rd ave in Mt Pleasant?

There is no park on that street.

Wasn't goatboy the Rotterdam Parks director or some position like that before he got on the planning committee?

Proposed 10-year plan roadmap for park and recreation improvements

# The direction of Rotterdam's parks and recreation programs is starting to solidify with a proposed plan aiming to focus on the town's natural attractions.

# The Parks and Recreation Commission of Rotterdam recently submitted its proposed plan, dubbed Vision 2020, to the Town Board for review. Under the 10-year plan, measures to improve and revitalize the town's parks and recreation programs would undergo incremental improvements to help realize the goal. The town board will vote on the plan during an upcoming session, but nothing will be finalized or any sort of funding approved, because the board would approve each specific objective before implementation.

# "[The plan] is a synopsis of reachable goals and long term goals," said Councilman Matthew Martin. "Some of the ideas are grand and big, but that is what the purpose of the plan is all about. The plan itself is pretty comprehensive and it is pretty detailed."

# The commission was formed in August 2009 under the previous board and after completing a draft of the plan this April there were five public input sessions held to receive input on the proposal. Based on public input changes were made to the final plan, said Goatboy Lapdog, chairman for the Commission.

# One change to the plan from public input sessions is the addition of a proposed dog park in the town, said Goatboy.

# "Some people are actually willing to donate time and money to seeing this built," said Goatboy about the dog park. "We might be able to build the dog park without costing the town any money from the general funding itself."

# There are three main goals to the plan, which detail what infrastructure changes should be made, what programs and policies should be implemented and how the town will pay for the plan.

The first goal is to create a general use, multi use and special use facilities for the town. Also, creating neighborhood parks, conservation areas and multi-use trails is part of the goal. Martin said surrounding municipalities have different have different categories of parks, which he would like to see implemented in the town.

# Conceptual planning of the "Bicentennial Park" show a large amount of land acquisition, including the 79-acre bonded concrete site between Route 5 and the New York State Thruway. Also, the present 3-acre Woestina Park would be expanded up to 67 acres.

# "We were hoping to build a park in Rotterdam Junction," said Supervisor Frank Del Gallo. "Getting people to go along with it is another thing."

# Developing a general use park in Rotterdam Junction and establishing a dog park in one of the existing parks are the first two plans of action, said Goatboy. Del Gallo said there are going to be meetings soon on how to accomplish the difference aspects of the plan.

# The second goal would ensure effective parks and recreation programs can be enjoyed by all town residents, which would fall under the creation of a new Parks, Recreation, and Community Programs Department.

# Goatboy said existing parks could be used for homes to town leagues and could be used more wisely by developing multi-use fields including a baseball diamond, football field and soccer field all in one.

# "Some of our leagues don't have permanent homes," said Goatboy. "We don't want to overburden taxpayers, on the other hand we have to find a home for these different leagues."

# Although, Goatboy said the plan doesn't just focus on sports leagues, but aims to make parks more useful for all residents.

# "Right now most of our parks are primarily used by the various leagues," said Goatboy. "Those are important programs, but pretty much every one of our parks they are pretty much dedicated to sports leagues for young people. We want a park system and recreation system that is available to people of all ages."

# How the town is going to pay for all these improvements will be the struggle board members are faced to solve.

# "Funding is always an issue especially for parks and recreations," said Martin.

# Goatboy said developing the plan would help the town apply for state and federal grants funding, which would be hard to receive without a finalized plan in writing.

# "We are looking at how can we go about doing as many improvements with our parks without costing the taxpayers any money," said Goatboy.

we have just become a society where we expect others to build it and control it and it becomes the 'good enough for them'
scenario....we have gone beyond the 'everyone needs clean water' and moved into the what we think everyone WANTS....
ie: rotterdam brush pickup fee

it's like church; 10% or less do the work while the rest accept it....is it wrong? no, but it becomes a 'stuck in the mud' situation

government gets bogged down in the mud and even voting doesn't help....

it STILL and always will come down to what a human wants and is willing to do based on their value system...

habitat for humanity can fix up a home and a family can get all those 'special loans' to be placed there, we can pat ourselves on
the back and 2-3 years later that same family is drowning under the upkeep/taxes etc of that 'gift'......one must be
educated into managing a home in the current system. and yes the public schools fail this....MISERABLY

they fail to show the kids what the system is and how to work it.....school seems to have become a commune of hugs/kisses
as the main class.....making cogs also requires cogs to know about the wizard and the workings of OZ....we want every kid to
learn about sex education and birth control but we fail at teaching them the about the systems workings for when they
become a cog in it.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Is there another Orchard St besides the one that goes between 1st ave and 3rd ave in Mt Pleasant?

There is no park on that street.

lol!! see it was forgotten....if you google orchard street then go to satillite view...  close to 3rd ave....you can see where the basketball court or whats left of it still is....the swing sets are skeletons that havent seen swings or chains in a long long time

it has huge potential and really is a nice place.....but needs to be remembered by city hall  

Quoted from sanfordy2

lol!! see it was forgotten....if you google orchard street then go to satillite view...  close to 3rd ave....you can see where the basketball court or whats left of it still is....the swing sets are skeletons that havent seen swings or chains in a long long time

it has huge potential and really is a nice place.....but needs to be remembered by city hall  

Wow. I never knew there was a park there.

It's down the alley behind the fence put up by the Eagles Club.

It's surrounded by houses on all sides.

I tried to find a park called Steimack Park listed address is Cutler/Davis Terrace, but I had no luck.

So Mt Pleasant actually has 5 parks.

1 on Norwood, 1 on Michigan, 5th and Congress, Orchard St and the lost one on Davis Terrace/Cutler st.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

T he improvements at Steinmetz Park look great.  They were necessary improvements.  The park doesn't just serve the North End -- growing up, we used that park when we lived on upper Nott Street.

  

Wow, you lived there too?   Given all the places you lived in Schenectady, wow, must have been getting evicted almost every place you lived.