Cicero - "wave guns around and threaten people - that's what they do for a living". Suggestion - Do some reading about how often police actually use force, less than 2% of all encounters with citizens - use of a gun will be well under 1%,.
You mean use physical force correct? Since every encounter with an officer that detains you is a use of force. You are threatened with physical force, jail, or fines if you do not comply or resist their detainment.
How many encounters with use of force per year? Please put a total number on that. Two percent of tens of millions of police encounters means millions It would be more accurate if you could tell me how my police encounters there are per year in the US is a pretty big number of Americans affected. The US does not have the highest incarcerstion rate without a lot of police encounters.
And McCarthy's police commish is allowed the guy to collect pay for a year courtesy of the taxpayers (but the guy never paid city taxes), and now the city is going to make the financially struggling homeowners provide him a lavish pension!
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Mike: I don't know if it's accurate to say Commissioner allowed it. Once, Bennett's investigation concluded that Hotaling did it, he did not want him back on the force. So, he had to wait for the trial to make it happen. Do you think Hotaling, knowing how close he was to the pension, would be in any hurry to have the case tried. If I were in his shoes, I would have let it drag on until I got as close as I could to my retirement date. Not expecting anyone to accept it or like it - I just this was the best they deal the City could get.
Cicero - you asserted that the police wave their guns around as the main aspect of their job, and you did it within the context of the charges against Hotaling. The point is that use of force is rarely used in policing. Most encounters with citizens involve talking and some paperwork (e.g., reports). And, the majority of police-citizen encounters are initiated at the requests of citizens. Those are the facts, spin them any way you want - but those are the facts.
And I don't need to put a number on anything - whatever the number is - it is a rare event, within the context of all police - citizen encounters.
It isn't rare. You never put a number on total police encounters. You say 2% results in use of force. See visitor, when you give a percentage, you should give the total number that the 2% is based on. Sure, 2% sounds like a small number, unless the number of police encounters is 50 million per year. Which would mean 1 million result in use of force.
It's not spin visitor, you just never gave complete and accurate picture. But you are right, you don't have to put a number in anything. 2% is all the information you need to give. Most Americans are incapable of asking for the total number of encounters to get a more accurate picture.
Had an OFF DUTY Sch'dy cop almost run me off the road on Crane St. some years back. one of my kids threw something out the window. The jerk followed me up Crane St. towards Rotterdam blasting his horn, I had NO idea who it was and was trying to get to an open public place.
Near the bridge underpass he pulled up alongside my car flashing something. I continued on to the video store on Altamont ave. Come to find out he was a sergeant on the Sch'dy force, he called two units to Rotterdam and they spent a half hour trying to figure out what to 'charge" me with.
Got a ticket for littering on the highway.
Judge dismissed it after I wrote in detail all that occurred.
Lol...all my signature lines are quotes. So are most other posters. Do you have a journal foot noting every one?
I'll keep you busy and keep on changing my signature lines. Sharpen your pencil!😄
Just pointing out what I said! ".... spins it, twists it, distorts it, then owns it!!!!" Only an egotistical jackass would take quotes of others and pretend they are their own!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
This was a problem case to begin with - it basically came down to asking a jury to take one person's word over another..
I don't know that is true.
I thought there were two people present in the car when he allegedly took out a pistol?
I'm one of the biggest supports of the average police officer here... And the accusers have criminal backgrounds, I would be far more likely to take the word of the two of them.
Mike: I don't know if it's accurate to say Commissioner allowed it. Once, Bennett's investigation concluded that Hotaling did it, he did not want him back on the force. So, he had to wait for the trial to make it happen. Do you think Hotaling, knowing how close he was to the pension, would be in any hurry to have the case tried. If I were in his shoes, I would have let it drag on until I got as close as I could to my retirement date. Not expecting anyone to accept it or like it - I just this was the best they deal the City could get.
That's basically right, but the city should have pushed for quick trial and/or get him off the force.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Just pointing out what I said! ".... spins it, twists it, distorts it, then owns it!!!!" Only an egotistical jackass would take quotes of others and pretend they are their own!
Is "good night chesty" your original quote? I think not. Please foot note the original author.
RE: the two people present - both may have been in the same car. I don't know that there was independent witness who saw the incident who was uninvolved. Doesn't mean the two witnesses are not telling the truth, just, that an independent witness who happened to be driving by would be more valuable.
Mike: City cannot rush the defendant to trial before they are ready.
Cicero - You are being intentionally obtuse. When you make a claim that the police make a living "waving guns around and scaring people" it carries with it the implication that that is major component of their job. If it is a rare occurrence with respect to all their contacts with citizens then it is is rare, within the context of your assertion. Force, waving guns around, is a very limited aspect of what the police do.
Since the officer took the plea deal, and didn't try to fight it in court, I think that pretty much doubles as an admission of guilt. My brother in law is a cop, and no matter how frustrating the situation is, they are trained to "Serve and Protect"! He only has pulled his weapon a couple of times, in uniform, while on duty, and performing his job.
How did this individual pass a psychological profile to even get in to the police dep't.? What were the training protocols to reinforce gun safety? And most importantly, Where was the "Plain Jane" common sense to not pull a weapon? Most lay people don't own a gun but at least recognize how dangerous they can be, as evident by the kid's reaction. Another sweep it under the rug plea deal at the tax payers expense. Absolutely no excuse for the behavior, especially someone "trained" to protect the public, and schooled in firearm safety! Pathetic, yet typical.
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