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Box A Rox
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"He KNEW! Obama told of Veterans Affairs health care debacle as far back as 2008"
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....d&utm_medium=RSS

Um... Obama wasn't president in 2008.  Another problem that Obama inherited from G Worst Bush.


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Like I said, Boxy.

They knew for years.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/21/obama-transition-team-told-about-3-audits-showing-/

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Obama transition team was told about 3 audits showing VA misreported wait times

Inspector frustrated with efforts to dire situation



President Obama’s transition team was warned in 2008 that repeated audits showed the Veterans Affairs Department was misreporting wait times for medical treatment, including one audit revealing delays nearly 10 times worse than the department was officially acknowledging.

The situation was so bad that the inspector general said it stopped trying to police the issue until the VA could prove its information was accurate — raising a red flag for the transition team, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

The documents, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, show the problem extended back to at least the middle of the Bush administration but remained unresolved when Mr. Obama won election in 2008, and the VA was unable to say this week whether it ever took any steps to correct the problems.

According to the documents, the VA inspector general told the Obama transition team of three audits dating back to 2005 that revealed significant problems with wait times and scheduling.

One of those audits showed an instance in which the department reported 2,900 veterans waited more than a month for medical appointments. The actual figure was closer to 28,000 veterans, according to the auditors.






"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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No, I watched the Obama press conference...Obama just found out about this...through media reports.



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“There is a modern American dysmorphia when it comes to veterans.  “We see things that aren’t
really there. We tell ourselves that we’re doing things that we’re not really doing. We have a
poetry in this country about our love and respect for veterans that is not matched by the prose
of how veterans are actually treated.”

In March 2003 — the same month the U.S. began its second war against Iraq
— the GOP-led House of Representatives approved a budget cutting $14 billion from the VA’s budget.
Two years later, Anthony Principi, who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush, released
a statement saying the department did not “require additional resources” despite the escalating cost
of that conflict.

Lawmakers later had to approve an emergency $1.5 billion budget influx following reports that local
VA facilities were instituting hiring freezes and lacking the ability to make necessary purchases.

Yet it’s Republicans who are now engaging in a coordinated effort, she said, to oust Shinseki
amid an investigation into alleged record-keeping malfeasance in VA clinics in 26 cities.
(Maddow)


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We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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Quoted from Box A Rox
“There is a modern American dysmorphia when it comes to veterans.  “We see things that aren’t
really there. We tell ourselves that we’re doing things that we’re not really doing. We have a
poetry in this country about our love and respect for veterans that is not matched by the prose
of how veterans are actually treated.”

In March 2003 — the same month the U.S. began its second war against Iraq
— the GOP-led House of Representatives approved a budget cutting $14 billion from the VA’s budget.
Two years later, Anthony Principi, who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush, released
a statement saying the department did not “require additional resources” despite the escalating cost
of that conflict.

Lawmakers later had to approve an emergency $1.5 billion budget influx following reports that local
VA facilities were instituting hiring freezes and lacking the ability to make necessary purchases.

Yet it’s Republicans who are now engaging in a coordinated effort, she said, to oust Shinseki
amid an investigation into alleged record-keeping malfeasance in VA clinics in 26 cities.
(Maddow)



Are you kidding? Quoting Mad Cow about what the GOP did with the budget in, when was it again? 2003?

Like it has any remote sort of relevance to what's going on now.

Also: Posting in a stealth 'Bush's Fault' response

  










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Are you kidding? Quoting Mad Cow about what the GOP did with the budget in, when was it again? 2003?

Like it has any remote sort of relevance to what's going on now.

Also: Posting in a stealth 'Bush's Fault' response

  The va wait times has been a problem since at least 1984.











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"He KNEW! Obama told of Veterans Affairs health care debacle as far back as 2008"
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....d&utm_medium=RSS

Um... Obama wasn't president in 2008.  Another problem that Obama inherited from G Worst Bush.


Barack "he's doing the bidding of the special interests and America's enemies" Obama was informed during the TRANSITION period about the problem -- yet he LIED to the American people as recently as just a few days ago and said that he only found out when the reports hit the media this spring.  The FACT is that Obama knew about the problems at the VA and ignored them.  Just like he knew that Ambassador Stevens and other Americans were under attack in Benghazi and ignored them.  
Obama is a pathological liar and has an abysmal disregard for the lives of Americans who are or who have laid their lives on the line to defend our nation and its freedom.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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The va wait times has been a problem since at least 1984.


Try the 30's...You might want to look that up.

Like I said, but you continually fail to understand, this isn't unique.

What makes this WAY worse is we are not dealing with the numbers they had back then.




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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No, I watched the Obama press conference...Obama just found out about this...through media reports.



Obama is the Liar-In-Chief -- has totally NO credibility on this issue, Benghazi and many others.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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the VA is a giant government 'care machine'.....how pristine do we really think it's going to be.....

a vet I know walks into a VA satellite, gets the nod because they have all 4 of their limbs and walks out half dead....

welcome to government healthcare...BTW is everyone up to date on their 'medical maintenance'  ? line up like cars and
get your oil changed and muffler fixed, but real treatment will be doled out like it is at the VA, BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND
WORK LOAD.

you asked for it, you got it!!!

now stand in line for the run around, test after test after test after test with no conclusion.....BUT, don't forget your flu
shot, just ask the vets about their vaccinations and exposures during the Iraq war.

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What are the causes of Gulf War Illness?

Nobody really knows. Initially, some health care professionals, military personnel and other "experts" wondered whether Gulf War Syndrome really existed. However, there have been so many study findings that the medical community now accepts it is real. Medical ailments linked to Gulf War syndrome are today recognized by the Department of Defense as well as the Department of Veterans Affairs This latest study is probably the best physical proof that Gulf War Illness exists.

Operation Desert Storm 22
Before being ousted by coalition forces, Kuwait's oil wells were set on fire by Iraqi forces
Suggestions have been made that one or a combination of the following may have contributed to Gulf War Syndrome:
Smoke form burning oil wells
Depleted uranium
Sarin gas
Vaccinations
Combat stress
Pyridostigmine bromide - antitoxin for nerve agents
Organophosphate pesticides
Written by Christian Nordqvist
Copyright: Medical News Today
Not to be reproduced without the permission of Medical News Today.



just a question....was west nile virus active in the US before the gulf war?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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REPUBLICANS BLOCK VETERANS BENEFITS



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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the VA is a giant government 'care machine'.....how pristine do we really think it's going to be.....

a vet I know walks into a VA satellite, gets the nod because they have all 4 of their limbs and walks out half dead....

welcome to government healthcare...BTW is everyone up to date on their 'medical maintenance'  ? line up like cars and
get your oil changed and muffler fixed, but real treatment will be doled out like it is at the VA, BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND
WORK LOAD.

you asked for it, you got it!!!

now stand in line for the run around, test after test after test after test with no conclusion.....BUT, don't forget your flu
shot, just ask the vets about their vaccinations and exposures during the Iraq war.



just a question....was west nile virus active in the US before the gulf war?


GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY!  
By the way, did you notice:
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Copyright: Medical News Today
Not to be reproduced without the permission of Medical News Today.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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REPUBLICANS BLOCK VETERANS BENEFITS



Great!  Soldiers aren't only cannon fodder, they are political fodder.

The government run medical system WOULD have cared for you...ONLY IF...you voted for me.  


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Great!  Soldiers aren't only cannon fodder, they are political fodder.

The government run medical system WOULD have cared for you...ONLY IF...you voted for me.  


What would your life be like if there never were any US Troops Cicero?
Would you still have the same freedoms?
Would you be speaking English, or French or German or Japanese or Spanish???
Would your US Constitutional Rights be just words on a piece of paper?

You act as if US troops are YOUR ENEMY.  Do you realize how out of the norm your
views are?


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