So explain why we shouldn't have taken this on as a goal in this war? You would have not ?????????
Who's we? Is "we" New York State or is "we" Washington DC? It wasn't the goal, ending slavery was a way to build a political coalition and get the abolitionists to support the war to prevent secession.
Europe ended slavery with compensation, not civil war. Section 4 of the 14th Amendment strictly forbid compensation for losses.
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the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Who's we? Is "we" New York State or is "we" Washington DC? It wasn't the goal, ending slavery was a way to build a political coalition and get the abolitionists to support the war to prevent secession.
Europe ended slavery with compensation, not civil war. Section 4 of the 14th Amendment strictly forbid compensation for losses.
Spin on... you're tiring, boring, predictable, etc.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Why am I not surprised you believe what the SPLC writes?
Why am I not surprised box against peaceful secession? Box supports the Abe Lincoln answer to peaceful secession - civil war(more accurately - war against secession). I guess if you can't use slavery as the justification to massacre your fellow citizens, trump up some kind of theocracy bs.
BTW...just out of curiosity, is there a form of government that a seceding state can set up that you would support?
Um... Who started the Civil War??? Who fired the first shot??? Was it the PEACEFUL SECESSIONIST WHO FIRED THE FIRST SHOTS??? (IMO, Cissy's American history teacher should be fired) "Lincoln's inaugural address declared his administration would not initiate civil war" (But, but Cicero assured us that it was Lincoln's War. )
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Confederate forces seized numerous federal forts within territory claimed by the Confederacy. A peace conference failed to find a compromise. The South wasn't interested in "compromise"... they wanted war and attacked US Federal Forts!
Again, Cissy portrays the North as the aggressor... yet the Slavers started the hostilities... (Really Cicero... READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK!!! YOUR AGENDA IS NOT HISTORY.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Whatever...go back to posting pictures of American flags and war machines. I understand you are limited.
I'm limited to discussing things with people that actually contribute value and have a honest approach to life instead of a narrow minded hatred filled attitude. Discussions with you are unfair, since I have such an advantage, even though you think you are so superior to everyone else. I feel like I'm taking advantage of an arrogant, racist, hater, wannabe, WIIFM!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Um... Who started the Civil War??? Who fired the first shot??? Was it the PEACEFUL SECESSIONIST WHO FIRED THE FIRST SHOTS??? (IMO, Cissy's American history teacher should be fired) "Lincoln's inaugural address declared his administration would not initiate civil war" (But, but Cicero assured us that it was Lincoln's War. )
Again, Cissy portrays the North as the aggressor... yet the Slavers started the hostilities... (Really Cicero... READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK!!! YOUR AGENDA IS NOT HISTORY.)
South Carolina seceded on December 20, 1860. Ft Sumpter happened April 12th, 1961. Read a history book. The north had a federal fort on sovereign soil. The northern soldiers did not leave a sovereign state, the south did not invade the north, nor did they have any plans to. They had no intention of taking control if the federal government(as required to call it a civil war). The south seceded, the federal government didn't recognize it and abandon their forts.(and they had no plans to abandon their forts, they were actually resupplying them)
1848 - Congressman Lincoln's speech supporting Texas' right to secede from Mexico.
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"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better-- This is a most valuable, -- a most sacred right -- a right, which we hope and belive, is to liberate the world..."
I'm limited to discussing things with people that actually contribute value and have a honest approach to life instead of a narrow minded hatred filled attitude. Discussions with you are unfair, since I have such an advantage, even though you think you are so superior to everyone else. I feel like I'm taking advantage of an arrogant, racist, hater, wannabe, WIIFM!
Hey, did you know that the emancipation proclamation ONLY freed slaves in the "rebellion" states? Slaves remained slaves in Delaware, Kentucky, and Maryland. Just a little perk for not seceding.
Lol...yeah, it was fought to free slaves. Fairy Tales.
South Carolina seceded on December 20, 1860. Ft Sumpter happened April 12th, 1961. Read a history book. The north had a federal fort on sovereign soil. The northern soldiers did not leave a sovereign state, the south did not invade the north, nor did they have any plans to. They had no intention of taking control if the federal government(as required to call it a civil war). The south seceded, the federal government didn't recognize it and abandon their forts.(and they had no plans to abandon their forts, they were actually resupplying them)
Hey! I just declared Schenectady County to be SOVEREIGN SOIL! I have no authority to do that, and I have signed documents stating the opposite, but just on a whim, I decided to secede from NY! Too bad about the rest of you who don't want to go along with my SOVEREIGN SOIL BS... and all you NY state troopers and Federal govt... you must now leave... cause I say so!
If they don't leave... Cicero and I will declare war on them... you know...cause the rest of the state didn't "RECOGNIZE US!"
It's amazing how Cicero sees events. If Cicero were to walk into a bar and out of the blue, punch a guy in the eye... when the cops came to arrest the offending party... Cicero would declare that "this guy just walked up to me and hit me in the fist, with his eye!"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
South Carolina held a secession convention and the people if South Carolina voluntarily left the Union. The same way they joined the Union, it was voluntary. Your analogy missed the mark again. Union troops left Charleston and went to Ft Sumpter. South Carolina sent a delegation to Washington to negotiate a peaceful resolution for the federal forts.
A better analogy is that box was a house guest at a friends house, they get into an argument and the owner of the house asked him to leave. Box refused to leave and called some of his buddies up for back up. When the owner realized that box was bringing buddies as backup, the owner physically removed box. Then box claims that the owner had no right physically removing him from squatting in his home. Then box burns the house down, killing everybody in it.
South Carolina held a secession convention and the people if South Carolina voluntarily left the Union. The same way they joined the Union, it was voluntary. Your analogy missed the mark again. Union troops left Charleston and went to Ft Sumpter. South Carolina sent a delegation to Washington to negotiate a peaceful resolution for the federal forts.
A better analogy is that box was a house guest at a friends house, they get into an argument and the owner of the house asked him to leave. Box refused to leave and called some of his buddies up for back up. When the owner realized that box was bringing buddies as backup, the owner physically removed box. Then box claims that the owner had no right physically removing him from squatting in his home. Then box burns the house down, killing everybody in it.
I wonder how many southerners actually voted for Secession??? Of course, they only counted the Men... Well the MENwho were WHITE so that was likely 15-25% of the population. 1860 - U.S. Census. U.S. population: 31,443,321. Total number of slaves in the Lower South : 2,312,352 (47% of total population). Did the 47% get a vote for Secession???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I wonder how many southerners actually voted for Secession??? Of course, they only counted the Men... Well the MENwho were WHITE so that was likely 15-25% of the population. 1860 - U.S. Census. U.S. population: 31,443,321. Total number of slaves in the Lower South : 2,312,352 (47% of total population). Did the 47% get a vote for Secession???
Did the slaves vote to join the union? I guess that wasn't legitimate either.
There was no United States for anyone to vote through... South Carolina was a british colony for over a hundred years. Even today, Cicero would like the "old south" to prevail... where white Christian men rule the state and the women and minorities (who would actually be the majority) are to keep quiet and not make trouble about 'freedom'.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
There was no United States for anyone to vote through... South Carolina was a british colony for over a hundred years. Even today, Cicero would like the "old south" to prevail... where white Christian men rule the state and the women and minorities (who would actually be the majority) are to keep quiet and not make trouble about 'freedom'.
When did I say "old south"? It's 2014, the plantations are gone. And more importantly, AFRICAN AMERICANS OWN GUNS. You think minorities would not resist slavery if your silly scenario was even true? Man box, you act as if there are federal agents posted all over the south preventing those evil white Christians from enslaving the black man. You're delusional.
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