Quoted from Hawthorn

Try supporting a local family business which hasn't received a Metroplex handout and is paying their fair share of taxes in the City.

Pettas comes to mind...they haven't received the handouts Aperitivo, Johnnys or Bombers have received. Hard to compete with other businesses when they aren't paying taxes or upkeep.

Metroplex has created an unfair system in the City. Those family-run taxpaying-businesses cannot compete with a Metroplex funded, tax-exempt restaurants.

Metroplex kills capitalism when taxpayers money benefits only those connected.....

Dolce Vita is a locally owned business and didn't receive any money from Metroplex.  But even if it did -- it wouldn't matter -- because it is a great restaurant.  Great food and great service.

And it is an outright, deliberate lie to say that Metroplex projects don't generate revenues for local government:

47 Pilots Administered by Metroplex Generate $14.18 Million in Revenues for Local Governments in Schenectady County

Schenectady, N.Y., December 20, 2013 -- The Schenectady County Metroplex Development Authority today provided an update on 47 Payment in Lieu of Tax (Pilot) agreements it administers as part of Schenectady County’s unified economic development team. The Pilot agreements generated a total of $14.18 million in payments to local governments in Schenectady County in 2013 up from $9.23 million in 2012. Between 2012 and 2013 pilot revenues increased by more than 53%.  The 2011 Pilot report issued by Metroplex showed total revenues of $4.45 million.    

Thirty eight (3 of the 47 pilot projects were built at empty buildings, vacant land or formerly tax-exempt property. These sites generated minimal or no taxes prior to the economic development projects being built. The other 9 projects were company expansions that created new Pilot revenues.  

Ray Gillen, Chair of the Schenectady County Metroplex Development Authority said, “We are taking property that paid little or no taxes before and we are building projects at these sites that create new jobs and new revenues for local governments.”  

14 Projects Were Built on Formerly Government–Owned Land/Buildings or Tax-Exempt Land that Paid $0 in Taxes Now Paying $1,671,544 in Pilot Payments  

MVP at 625 State Street in downtown Schenectady. Built on government--owned land that was returned to tax rolls. 175,000 square foot office building $318,103 up from $256,569 last year.
Hampton Inn at 450 State Street in downtown Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to tax rolls.  62,000 square foot hotel $165,277 up from $144,506 last year.  
400 State Street in downtown Schenectady. Built on government–owned land that was returned to tax rolls. 60,200 square foot building $62,536 up from $31,182 last year.
Broadway Center in downtown Schenectady. Built on government–owned land that was returned to tax rolls. 140,000 square foot office building $316,978 up from $307,455 last year.
2135 Technology Drive in Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to the tax rolls. 22,000 square foot building $45,422 down from $61,711 last year.  
Utech at 135 Broadway in downtown Schenectady. Government-owned building that was returned to tax rolls $24,856 up from $22,340 last year.                              
M&P Labs 2210 Technology Drive in Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to tax rolls.  $101,538 up from $93,452 last year.  
Pace Analytical at 2190 Technology Drive in Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to tax rolls.  $49,602 up from $45,519 last year.
2165 Technology Drive in Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to tax rolls. 27,000 square foot building $55,554 up from $50,982 last year.  
426 State Street in downtown Schenectady.  Built at government-owned building that was returned to tax rolls.  34,000 square feet $89,054 up from $75,000 last year.    
Former Scotia Navy Depot in Glenville $285,991 up from $271,869 last year.  
Columbia McClellan Group at 600 McClellan Street in Schenectady. 45,550 square feet built on formerly tax-exempt property $38,771 down from $54,789 last year.    
Fortitech at the Schenectady County Airport in Glenville. Built on government-owned land that was returned to the tax rolls. 95,000 square feet $96,895 up from $85,853 last year.  
Bombers at 447 State Street in downtown Schenectady. Built at formerly government-owned building $20,967 up from $18,755 last year.  
10 Projects Were Built at Formerly Vacant Buildings that Paid No Taxes or Nominal Taxes Now Paying $1,349,963 in Pilot Payments  

BN Partners at 1510 Maxon Road in downtown Schenectady. 240,000 square foot office building $584,020 up from $466,132 last year.  
433 State Street in downtown Schenectady $229,583 up from $150,000 last year.    
Villa Italia at 226 Broadway in downtown Schenectady $29,041 up from $26,567 last year.
JMR Development at 600 Liberty Street in downtown Schenectady $75,000 same as last year.    
411 State St in downtown Schenectady $37,105 up from $25,000 last year.    
401 State in downtown Schenectady $64,190 up from $63,250 last year.  
409 State in downtown Schenectady $33,000 same as last year.
World Star at 450 Duane Avenue in Schenectady $164,678 down from $179,229 last year.  
Mohawk Honda in Glenville $99,004 up from $59,941 last year.  
Columbia Altamont at 1925 Curry Road in Rotterdam $34,342 up from $30,865 last year.
14 Projects Were Built on Vacant Land that Formerly Generated Nominal Taxes Now Paying $1,953,932 in Pilot Payments

Railex at the Rotterdam Corporate Park 220,000 square foot warehouse built on vacant land.  $308,000 up from $302,114 last year.
376 Broadway in downtown Schenectady. 24,000 square office building built on vacant land $78,689 up from $71,866 last year.
Marcella’s at 564 Broadway in downtown Schenectady.  16,750 square foot facility built on vacant land $62,954 up from $56,593 last year.
Unilux at Niskayuna Commerce Park 67,000 square foot manufacturing plant built on vacant land.  $144,525 up from $102,839 last year.  
Opus Business Park (now Burdeck Street Business Park) in Rotterdam. Three buildings -- 15,600 square feet building built on vacant land $20,974 up from $18,979 last year,  35,100 square foot building built on vacant land $61,419 up from $55,844 last year and 25,000 square foot building built on vacant land $40,795 up from $36,798 last year.  
Dimension Fabricators at 2000 Seventh Avenue in Glenville. 152,000 square foot building built on vacant land $223,081 up from $212,066 last year.
Argo Turbo Serve at 588 Broadway in downtown Schenectady.  22,000 square foot building built on former vacant lot $21,697 up from $2,890 last year.  
Alco site in Schenectady.  Vacant land brownfield remediation underway $40,000 same as last year.  
FG Rotterdam Holdings in Rotterdam. 31,800 square foot office building built on vacant land $33,629 up from $32,154 last year.  
EMI Properties in Rotterdam.  6,600 square foot facility built on vacant land $10,641 up from $9,690 last year.  
NE IP Holding (FedEx Freight) in Rotterdam Corporate Park.  50,000 square foot facility built on vacant land $81,267 up from $71,773 last year.  
FM Ventures in Rotterdam Corporate Park.  152,000 square foot building built on vacant land $313,337 up from $275,504 last year.  
Long Pond Village in Rotterdam.  192 unit apartment complex built on vacant land $214,070 up from $193,408 last year.
Capital Living in Schenectady.  New Pilot for skilled nursing facility paying $298,854 built on vacant land.
9 Company Agreements/Expansions Paying $9,203,839

Three Pilots at GE Global Research Center in Niskayuna for chemical engineering building expansion, new Pilot manufacturing facility and expansion of Energy Learning Center $624,233 up from $599,308 last year.
Kingsway Arms Nursing Center in Schenectady.  New construction addition of 56,000 square feet $245,220 up from $237,853 last year.  
GE battery plant and Global Renewable Energy Headquarters with a total of 470,000 square feet of renovated space in Buildings 53 and 66 at downtown Schenectady energy campus $2,786,087 up from $2,661,357 last year.
GE Rotterdam $4,800,000 new pilot this year.    
SI Group in Rotterdam Junction. 40,000 square foot expansion $689,670 up from $626,703 last year.
Golub Corporation Distribution Center expansion $58,629 up from $51,436 last year.  
Expiring Pilots

Time Warner Cable at 1021 Highbridge Road in Rotterdam. 80,000 square foot office building built on vacant land. Last year’s pilot payment $251,170. Now 100% on tax rolls.
Belvedere Hotel at 1930 Curry Road in Rotterdam.  28,725 square foot building built on vacant land. Last year’s pilot payment $49,064.  Now 100% on tax rolls.  
Fortitech at 2105 Technology Drive in Schenectady. Built on government-owned land that was returned to tax rolls. 130,000 square foot facility. Last year’s pilot payment $186,994. Now 100% on tax rolls.
SI Group at 2750 Balltown Road in Niskayuna.  83,640 square foot expansion. Last year’s pilot payment $570,000.  Now 100% on tax rolls.
Environment One at 2773 Balltown Road in Niskayuna.  42,000 square foot facility expansion added 34,000 square feet.  Last year’s pilot payment $93,397.  Now 100% on tax rolls.
New Pilots Coming on Line in 2014

New Target store in Glenville built at empty retail site.
Building 14 in Rotterdam former State Bakery will begin Pilot payments.
Curry Road Plaza in Rotterdam new private development at former Town-owned vacant retail site.
Schenectady Armory former State owned facility in Schenectady being redeveloped.
845 Broadway former vacant factory space redeveloped as housing.
301 Green Street former vacant window factory redeveloped as housing.
245 Broadway and Town Homes at Union Square – two new residential projects on formerly vacant lots in Schenectady.  

If all this money is coming into the city then why are the taxes so high and why does the city keep raising taxes and adding fees on the already over burdened taxpayer every year?

Quoted from Shadow

If all this money is coming into the city then why are the taxes so high and why does the city keep raising taxes and adding fees on the already over burdened taxpayer every year?

Crickets....

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Dolce Vita is a locally owned business and didn't receive any money from Metroplex.  But even if it did -- it wouldn't matter -- because it is a great restaurant.  Great food and great service.

And it is an outright, deliberate lie to say that Metroplex projects don't generate revenues for local government:

47 Pilots Administered by Metroplex Generate $14.18 Million in Revenues for Local Governments in Schenectady County

Schenectady, N.Y., December 20, 2013 -- The Schenectady County Metroplex Development Authority today .  

UNPROVEN numbers, UNAUDITED numbers, put in the paper by those desperate to save themselves from the increasing numbers of city homeowners fleeing the city due to tax bills increasing dramatically to pay for the taxes of the multimilionires downtown, along with the lack of homeowners willing to buy in the city.

Also, what the owners may pay in pilots in 10 years is multiple times outweighed by the taxpayers handouts for building them new buildings or renovated buildings

And don't forget that that MASSIVE DRASTIC REDUCTION in the city's tax base has put increasing burden on the homeonwers.


These owners must be mandated to pay 100% FULL SHARE of their taxes.

They pay pennies on the dollar, but of course, since DV is not nor ever has been a taxpayer, (not too mention his parents where never taxpayers in the city either), well, DV doesn't even have the remotest clue what a tax bill looks like.


Now DV, you keep claiming that county taxes are lower than in the 1970's.    Why don't you provide any documentation to prove that??????????  

Quoted from Shadow

If all this money is coming into the city then why are the taxes so high and why does the city keep raising taxes and adding fees on the already over burdened taxpayer every year?

Yes, DV, would you please answer Shadow/


None of us intelligent people, taxpayers, self-sufficient adults, will all agree, DV will answer Shadow's question!

Quoted from Shadow

If all this money is coming into the city then why are the taxes so high and why does the city keep raising taxes and adding fees on the already over burdened taxpayer every year?

It's money laundering.  Stealing money and making it APPEAR legitimate.  There is no growth, it's non existent.  Building gin mills to keep the general public drunk and oblivious to the crime perpetrated against them.  

You know it's crumbling when NYS is talking about building casinos.  Keep them drunk and gambling, it will distract the plebs when it really gets bad.  The people can never realize that the people they thought were in power to help them, really were slowly robbing them and bankrupting their city.  And if you don't think the city's bankrupt, drive around and see how much infrastructure(roads) is neglected.  The city is only financially solvent because they neglect to maintain it.  Just drive down Nott Terrace toward Broadway, that road is near a jail and fire department, and it's DESTROYED.

Quoted from CICERO

It's money laundering.  Stealing money and making it APPEAR legitimate.  There is no growth, it's non existent.  Building gin mills to keep the general public drunk and oblivious to the crime perpetrated against them.

You know it's crumbling when NYS is talking about building casinos.  Keep them drunk and gambling, it will distract the plebs when it really gets bad.  The people can never realize that the people they thought were in power to help them, really were slowly robbing them and bankrupting their city.  And if you don't think the city's bankrupt, drive around and see how much infrastructure(roads) is neglected.  The city is only financially solvent because they neglect to maintain it.  Just drive down Nott Terrace toward Broadway, that road is near a jail and fire department, and it's DESTROYED.

That's the perfect sentence and says it all in a nutshell.

$100 million dollars in taxpayer money gone........

Quoted from CICERO

  Just drive down Nott Terrace toward Broadway, that road is near a jail and fire department, and it's DESTROYED.

Yeah tell me about it, the right lane heading towards Broadway is literally gone. One of the many streets in the city crumbling while our tax dollars are pissed away on no progress projects. Maybe DVOR should head off the downtown path and drive through some of the other neighborhoods, maybe Crane St in Mt Pleasant that used to be a very decent business friendly street, now its a gang infested sh1thole that makes me want to puke.

797 Broadway......first bldg....almost done....working on the second...peeps lined up like cattle at 8 AM this day...

new remodel...old models of pees standing in line waiting for their golden welfare checks.

seems kinds odd to have had a remodel.....more money wasted...

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

47 Pilots Administered by Metroplex Generate $14.18 Million in Revenues for Local Governments in Schenectady County

Schenectady, N.Y., December 20, 2013 --  

PILOT payments top $14M
Author:    Bethany Bump
Gazette Reporter
Date: December 20, 2013
Publication: Daily Gazette, The (Schenectady, NY)
Edition:Schenectady/Albany; Final
Column:SCHENECTADY COUNTY
Length: 1060 Words
Page: B1

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

… Daily Rag …. newspaper.  About the only thing that "newspaper" is good for is to wrap up a smelly nayboob and throw him/her in the trash.

FINALLY !!!!!!!!!     DV has provided a response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In his own words, the information, the news, printed in the Daily Gazette is WORTHLESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!





And for you info DV, these properties were all largely PRIVATELY OWNED PAYING TAXES until your dems and plex took the buildings either by taxing them so high to benefit their cronies, or taking by eminent domain, etc.  

Just you watch DV!!!!!!   Just you WATCH.   The next think your buddies will do is claim that the property (where Rudnicks was) "was a government owned property returned to the tax rolls" and they wil be touting that it is bringing in revenue.  And THAT is how they LIE to the homeowners.


If everything is as rosy as you claim, DV, please explain to us all why the tax base in the city is falling massively??????
Care to answer that????????   Of course you won't answer that

Yes indeed these business generate sales/property tax income.   The issue is at what cost.   How much has to be invested of tax/property tax $$$ to achieve this end goal.   Especially to the stress/detriment/impact to the homeowner.   Only thing that matters is the NET figure of cost relative to NET gain.   Ask homeowners who are on the edge of the homeowner cliff if they'd rather have their house or another bar/restaurant.

The nayboobs would rather go back to the Farley-Jurzynski era when Downtown Schenectady had deserted store fronts.  The nayboobs are ignorant jack-asses.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The nayboobs would rather go back to the Farley-Jurzynski era when Downtown Schenectady had deserted store fronts.  The nayboobs are ignorant jack-asses.

Well, DV, the FACT is that under that team, there may have not have been as many stores  as in, say, the 60's but, gee, there was Rudnicks which pakid taxes AND had very high quality clothing.

Tell us DV, what store can you buy good clothing downtown today??????   HUH??????   Why doln't you answer that??????  

But THERE ARE NO STORES DOWNTOWN TODAYH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Just  largely a bunch of gin mills paid for by the taxpayers.  Food does NOT provide much sales tax revenue and the EVIDENCE is in the even decreaseing sales tax revenue -- I trust you have read that sales tax is DOWN in Schdy Co while up in ALL OTHER COUNTIES around Schenectady, in fact up in most of the whole NYS.

Under Juzynski-Farley, you could buy a NEW car IN the city.   What about now DV???????   What about NOW??????  Tell us where IN the city one can buy a NEW car???????    Ah, DV won't answer because it's too embarrassing to be proven WRONG

Under Jurzynski-Farley, the tax base was up, taxes were lower, people CHOSE to LIVE IN the city, if people owned a house IN the city and moved to atoehr house IN or out of the city (need bigger house, smaller house, job transfer, etc), there houses would sell at a decent price in a very reasonable time.   But under your dems, people who want or need to move CANNOT SELL their house even after two years on the market and 50% reduction in asking price (even when the initial asking price was lower than the assessed value.

Under Jurzynski, Central Park was a clean THRIVING place where people went to enjoy themselves, AND they could go ice skaing.

Under Jurzynski, snow emergencies were declared so that snow was pushed back to the curb and the plows did not weave in and out of cars leaving snowbanks in the road.


So tell us DV, you have stated that the under the dems, the county taxes are lower than in the 1970's.   Where is your proof??????   Why do you REFUSE to provide one teeny weeny shred of EVIDENCE of your statement??????????    Because you tell the biggest fairy tales on the face of this earth!!!!!!!!

someone handed the guy a puff piece - now he thinks everything is settled? HA!