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~ Q.  Is FDA going to ban tobacco?
~ A.  No. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act specifically states that FDA
cannot ban an entire category of tobacco products, such as cigarettes.


FDA
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparency/Basics/ucm194450.htm


the FDA can't but your legislators can regulate it into a box with locks.......you see it's just 'good cop' 'bad cop'
scenario.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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POLLS....REALLY? POLLS.......


Polls tell the politician when it is ok to dictate how the minority behave.  If your personal behavior goes against the majority opinion, it must be stopped.  By force if necessary(taxing,regulating,banning,jailing).  That's how a free society works, you are subjected to the will of the majority - exactly how a constitutional republic is designed to work.


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Polls tell the politician when it is ok to dictate how the minority behave.  If your personal behavior goes against the majority opinion, it must be stopped.  By force if necessary(taxing,regulating,banning,jailing).  That's how a free society works, you are subjected to the will of the majority - exactly how a constitutional republic is designed to work.


If cigarettes existed solely on the whim of polls, smoking would have gone extinct long ago!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If cigarettes existed solely on the whim of polls, smoking would have gone extinct long ago!


Oh, the authoritarians continue to try...Taxing it out of the reach of the "average citizen" was the first attempt...But to your delight, they haven't given up!  


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Oh, the authoritarians continue to try...Taxing it out of the reach of the "average citizen" was the first attempt...But to your delight, they haven't given up!  


I would be quite happy if New Yorkers who smoke would at least pay the REAL COST of a pack of
cigarettes, where the Butt Tax at least equalled the cost to NY Taxpayers for smoking related
illness.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If cigarettes existed solely on the whim of polls, smoking would have gone extinct long ago!


just like being obese....I bet if you polled everyone they would all agree they don't want obesity......

that's not extinct.....it's called the government directed health of the food pyramid and our food supply chain.....

gotta love evolution and our shrinking brain sizes


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Some Smoking Data, NY State

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~Adult Smoking Rate, New York – 18% (2009)
~Number of Adult Smokers, New York – 2.6 million
~Deaths caused by tobacco, New York 2006 – 25,400
~New Yorkers alive with tobacco-caused illness – 570,000
~Annual health care expenditures caused by tobacco, New York 2006 - $8.17 billion
~Annual Medicaid expenditures caused by tobacco, New York 2006 - $5.4 billion
~Annual tobacco-caused productivity losses from premature death, New York - $6.05 billion
~Tobacco-caused health costs and productivity losses per pack of cigarettes sold - $21.91
~Annual state and federal tax burden due to tobacco-caused expenditures - $900 per household


Lets take a look at this one piece of data:
~Annual state and federal tax burden due to tobacco-caused expenditures - $900 per household
Every smoker in NY State is costing YOU $900 per year in NY Taxes.

Want to lower taxes... then let the smokers pay the actual cost of a pack of cigarettes. Add $21.91
per pack to the Cigarette tax so that smokers, not the taxpayers will pay the real cost of
their addiction.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Some Smoking Data, NY State



Lets take a look at this one piece of data:
~Annual state and federal tax burden due to tobacco-caused expenditures - $900 per household
Every smoker in NY State is costing YOU $900 per year in NY Taxes.

Want to lower taxes... then let the smokers pay the actual cost of a pack of cigarettes. Add $21.91
per pack to the Cigarette tax so that smokers, not the taxpayers will pay the real cost of
their addiction.



so are obese sedentary diabetes riddled humans costly......

we talk about 'real cost' all day....again, I'm not here promoting smoking.....

real cost
fair shair
real ID

this list is getting pretty creepy....is it Brave New World?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Want to lower taxes... then let the smokers pay the actual cost of a pack of cigarettes. Add $21.91
per pack to the Cigarette tax so that smokers, not the taxpayers will pay the real cost of
their addiction.[/b]


Not gonna happen, the black market for tobacco already started here in NY, stores around here sell them lower then the minimum state price because they buy them out of state. The more the government gets involved the bigger the black market becomes.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Not gonna happen, the black market for tobacco already started here in NY, stores around here sell them lower then the minimum state price because they buy them out of state. The more the government gets involved the bigger the black market becomes.


Yes, bootleg ciggs are a problem... the end result is that New Yorker Taxpayers pay even more of the cost
for smokers to be addicted.

50 Years Of Progress Cuts Smoking Rates In Half

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Smoking rates cut in half. Eight million lives saved. More than 800,000 fewer lung cancer
deaths. Fifty years after the U.S. Surgeon General first warned about the dangers of smoking,
the benefits of quitting have never been clearer.

Yet 18 percent of the population still smokes. Nearly 2,000 teenagers take up the habit every day.
n a study published this week in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Theodore Holford
of the Yale School of Public Health and colleagues estimated that 17.7 million people died between
1964 and 2012 because of smoking. But they also calculated that tobacco control measures
saved 8 million lives. And the average American lives two years longer than they otherwise
would have, they said. Smoking rates have plummeted from 42 percent of the population in
1965 to 18 percent today.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Some Smoking Data, NY State



Lets take a look at this one piece of data:
~Annual state and federal tax burden due to tobacco-caused expenditures - $900 per household
Every smoker in NY State is costing YOU $900 per year in NY Taxes.

Want to lower taxes... then let the smokers pay the actual cost of a pack of cigarettes. Add $21.91
per pack to the Cigarette tax so that smokers, not the taxpayers will pay the real cost of
their addiction.



I can list dozens of behaviors that can be measured the same way.  Do you want to eliminate ALL personal behaviors that have a negative impact on your precious society?  Or just tobacco?  

I like the measurement of lost productivity.  Who does the lost productivity affect?  Does that mean the tax slave isn't able to work and be taxed to his/her fullest potential?

Man, you athoritarians are some of the scariest people on the face of this planet.  Every human being is just a statistic, a number, measured by the state and the negative impact they have.  And if you are considered a burden to the state, your behaviors must be modified.  You authoritarians are dangerous-dangerous people!!


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Man, you athoritarians are some of the scariest people on the face of this planet.  Every human being is just a statistic, a number, measured by the state and the negative impact they have.  And if you are considered a burden to the state, your behaviors must be modified.  You authoritarians are dangerous-dangerous people!!


Yup... cries about wanting universal healthcare, then wants to tell you how to live your life.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Yup... cries about wanting universal healthcare, then wants to tell you how to live your life.


As posted above... If I wanted to take up playing pool, I wouldn't expect the taxpayers to pay for
it.  
If I wanted to eat figs... I'd buy the figs and not expect the taxpayers to subsidise my fig addiction.
If I wanted to smoke cigarettes, I would expect to pay the full cost of those ciggs.  

I wonder why you seem happy to foot the bill for my cigarette addiction but would balk at paying for
my fig addiction???

Do you have something against figs???  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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As posted above... If I wanted to take up playing pool, I wouldn't expect the taxpayers to pay for
it.  
If I wanted to eat figs... I'd buy the figs and not expect the taxpayers to subsidise my fig addiction.
If I wanted to smoke cigarettes, I would expect to pay the full cost of those ciggs.  

I wonder why you seem happy to foot the bill for my cigarette addiction but would balk at paying for
my fig addiction???

Do you have something against figs???  


so if you wanted an abortion you wouldn't expect the tax payers to subsidize it?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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As posted above... If I wanted to take up playing pool, I wouldn't expect the taxpayers to pay for
it.  
If I wanted to eat figs... I'd buy the figs and not expect the taxpayers to subsidise my fig addiction.
If I wanted to smoke cigarettes, I would expect to pay the full cost of those ciggs.  

I wonder why you seem happy to foot the bill for my cigarette addiction but would balk at paying for
my fig addiction???

Do you have something against figs???  


if you couldn't get it up and needed cialis or other, you wouldn't expect the taxpayer to subsidize you sex life now
would you?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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