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Box A Rox
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Something box doesn't want to admit they're all in the process of growing limbs, feathers, roots. Box likes to pick what stage of life counts, maybe someone thinks you are not human till you grow pubes, hey that is a stage of life also so why not. Sorry box you fail every time this argument comes up, maybe try some fresh material with facts to back it.


I do 'admit' the process Henry.  I do consider a zygote a 'potential human being', that needs to
grow to be a complete whole human being.  
At some point in the process, the human cells in the womb become a complete human being.  Just not at
the zygote stage as you posted.


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It's the best system in the world for determining 'rights' under a constitution.  But you don't believe in
the US Constitution or the laws based on it... so, why bother arguing for a "right" that you don't consider
to be valid???
Or are you just one of those obstinate people who will argue any issue just for the sake of arguing?


Apparently you don't believe in the constitution either.  You support a legal right created that doesn't exist in the constitution.  You took an oath to uphold the constitution, at the same time acknowledging the Roe v Wade decision has no basis in constitutional rights.  It claims right to privacy, but as I pointed out, that right doesn't exist when it comes to putting stuff in your body - like alcohol.



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Apparently you don't believe in the constitution either.  You support a legal right created that doesn't exist in the constitution.  You took an oath to uphold the constitution, at the same time acknowledging the Roe v Wade decision has no basis in constitutional rights.  It claims right to privacy, but as I pointed out, that right doesn't exist when it comes to putting stuff in your body - like alcohol.



Don't ya just love the Cissy Straw Man... he seems unable to discuss any issue without resorting to
posting 'his warped version' of what I believe.  

One more time Cissy:
"A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation
of an opponent's position"


It appears when Cicero has been defeated by logic and reason, his brain automatically switches
into 'straw man' mode!  Poor Cissy!  


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Don't ya just love the Cissy Straw Man... he seems unable to discuss any issue without resorting to
posting 'his warped version' of what I believe.  

One more time Cissy:
"A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation
of an opponent's position"


It appears when Cicero has been defeated by logic and reason, his brain automatically switches
into 'straw man' mode!  Poor Cissy!  


Lol...you are the one that said women have a constitutional right to an abortion because it is their body then a few posts later said the constitution guarantees no right to your body.  Talk about fallacies.Lol


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Lol...you are the one that said women have a constitutional right to an abortion because it is their body then a few posts later said the constitution guarantees no right to your body.  Talk about fallacies.Lol


My opinion matters little but the US Supreme court in Roe V Wade states that a woman has a constitutional
right to an abortion.


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My opinion matters little but the US Supreme court in Roe V Wade states that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion.


Yup, I agree...Your opinions are determined by others who tell you what they should be.  That's the way you've always been.  Then you argue these opinions as if you are using your own logic to draw your own conclusion, and ignore the apparent contradictions.

For some(Like Box)...The Constitution isn't a document for the people to interpret, it is a document for the rulers to interpret for the people.


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5 Facts On Abortion

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1.  More than six-in-ten (63%) U.S. adults say they would not like to see the Supreme Court completely
overturn Roe v. Wade, while about three-in-ten (29%) want to see the ruling overturned. These figures
have remained relatively stable for more than 20 years.


2. There is a growing regional divide in opinions about abortion. Three-quarters of New Englanders (75%)
say that abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while four-in-ten residents (40%) of South Central
states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas) say the
same.

3. Roughly six-in-ten Americans (62%) know that Roe v. Wade was a decision about abortion, but
among adults under 30 years old, only 44% know. Younger adults also are less likely to view abortion
as an important issue: 62% of Americans ages 18-29 say it is “not that important” compared with
other issues, while 53% of adults overall say this.

4. According to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, 22 states
enacted 70 abortion restrictions in 2013, making it second only to 2011 in the number of new
restrictions in one year. From 2011 to 2013, 205 abortion restrictions were enacted, while 189
were enacted during the previous decade (2001-2010).


5. There’s a difference between what Americans think should be legal and what they think is moral.
About half of Americans (49%) say that having an abortion is morally wrong, while 15% think it is
morally acceptable and 23% say it is not a moral issue. These views differ by religious affiliation:
While 75% of white evangelical Protestants say that having an abortion is morally wrong, 25%
of religiously unaffiliated people say so.


Pew Research Center


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5 Facts On Abortion



Pew Research Center


That's all good.  Then constitutionally it should be legislated regionally(by state).  If you want to say it's an inalienable right, AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.

You don't seem to get the argument, Roe v Wade created a special right for one group of people.  You amend the constitution, the Roe v Wade Argument IS OVER - YOU WIN.


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Box thinks he's doing something for women....

all Box is doing is validating an authority to GRANT permission....like gun ownership....

'you stupid human. You can copulate and if a sperm meets an ovum ONLY the woman may be granted an abortion in (3,10, 20, 26
30, 42)weeks, depending on the political podium. And if you stupid male humans can't get it up you may be prescribed viagra.'

"you stupid human. You may own a gun if you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...."

oh...it's painful as hell


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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That's all good.  Then constitutionally it should be legislated regionally(by state).  If you want to say it's an inalienable right, AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.

You don't seem to get the argument, Roe v Wade created a special right for one group of people.  You amend the constitution, the Roe v Wade Argument IS OVER - YOU WIN.


The US Constitution is interpreted by you and I differently... and many people have opposing views
about it's meaning.  
The US Supreme Court is tasked with interpreting the US Constitution.  Once it has ruled on the
constitutionality of an issue, it has the backing of the US Constitution.  
OR
We could use Cicero's version of Constitutionality... What ever anyone wants it to mean at the
present moment!  


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50 years ago divorce was illegal in New york State.


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50 years ago divorce was illegal in New york State.


Marriage isn't a state matter.  Marriage or divorce shouldn't be legal or illegal.  It's an agreement between 2 people.  Saying that divorce is now legal is admitting that it can once again be made illegal.


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Marriage isn't a state matter.  Marriage or divorce shouldn't be legal or illegal.  It's an agreement between 2 people.  Saying that divorce is now legal is admitting that it can once again be made illegal.


In Cissy's world, there is no govt, no laws no restrictions, no speed limits, no stop signs... no govt.
Kinda like Somalia!


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In Cissy's world, there is no govt, no laws no restrictions, no speed limits, no stop signs... no govt.
Kinda like Somalia!


You know a lot about Somalia, you visit often?

Marriage licenses didn't exist until the mid 1800's.  Colonial America must have been like Somalia.


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You know a lot about Somalia, you visit often?


No Cicero, I've never been there.  It sounds dreadful to me.  I know for you it'd be a paradise...
No govt, no laws, no one telling you what to do... The perfect country for a man with authority
issues!

NOTE: Bring your passport and lots of money, just in case it doesn't work out for you!!!


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