Quoted from CICERO

  I've consistently said a fertilized egg is a the beginning of a unique human life, with it's own unique DNA.

WOW!  Finally  Cissy finally gets it!!! (I'm Surprised)

We both agree for once.  A FERTILISED EGG IS THE BEGINNING OF A UNIQUE HUMAN BEING.  
(Of course it is already "human life" so is every cell in it's body.  

Thank you Cicero for clearing this up.  According to Cicero (and I don't believe that I am misquoting him)
~  "A Fertilized Egg Is The BEGINNING Of A Unique Human Being." ~ ( do I have it right cicero?)
It isn't a human being... it is what may well be the BEGINNING of a human being!

See!  Common Ground.  Cicero and I agee!

Quoted from Box A Rox

WOW!  Finally  Cissy finally gets it!!! (I'm Surprised)

We both agree for once.  A FERTILISED EGG IS THE BEGINNING OF A UNIQUE HUMAN BEING.  
(Of course it is already "human life" so is every cell in it's body.  

Thank you Cicero for clearing this up.  According to Cicero (and I don't believe that I am misquoting him)
~  "A Fertilized Egg Is The BEGINNING Of A Unique Human Being." ~ ( do I have it right cicero?)
It isn't a human being... it is what may well be the BEGINNING of a human being!

See!  Common Ground.  Cicero and I agee!

Close...It's still a human being, just the beginning.  Kinda like a marathon.  You have a starting line and a finish line.  You take one step off the starting line and begin running, you are running a marathon.  You may not complete all 26 miles of the marathon, but once you have taken that first step off the starting line - it is still a marathon.  

See, it seems to me, that you believe there is a transition to "human being" that you admittedly are unable to identify.  I don't have that problem.  The conception is the human being, just at it's earliest stages of development.  For me, there is no transformation or transition into 'being".  To me, the word "being" suggests consciousness.    

Quoted from CICERO

Close...It's still a human being, just the beginning.  Kinda like a marathon.  You have a starting line and a finish line.  You take one step off the starting line and begin running, you are running a marathon.  You may not complete all 26 miles of the marathon, but once you have taken that first step off the starting line - it is still a marathon.  

See, it seems to me, that you believe there is a transition to "human being" that you admittedly are unable to identify.  I don't have that problem.  The conception is the human being, just at it's earliest stages of development.  For me, there is no transformation or transition into 'being".  To me, the word "being" suggests consciousness.    

So for Cicero... this is a car!

And this is a car... there is no difference, except the stage of development.


They are identical!

Quoted from Box A Rox

So for Cicero... this is a car!

And this is a car... there is no difference, except the stage of development.


They are identical!

Correct!  You have all the parts of the car ready to assemble.  The assembly can stop because of defective parts, or it can stop because the purchaser doesn't want it anymore.  

So when exactly is the car a car?  Is it when you start the engine or just once its assembled?

Quoted from CICERO

Correct!  You have all the parts of the car ready to assemble.  The assembly can stop because of defective parts, or it can stop because the purchaser doesn't want it anymore.  

So when exactly is the car a car?  Is it when you start the engine or just once its assembled?

when you purchase the pieces which can only come from a government certified assembly line

you can be a legal smoker at the age of 18
you can be a legal drinker at the age of 21
you can be a legal driver at the age of 16
you can be a legal soldier at the age of 18
etc etc....

you can be a legal human being when the government or the church tells you so....

so what is the most expensive part of the human? the first 2 cells that start it? the ones that became a heart?

the DNA/RNA is the most expensive part ........once it begins working IT IS.....and I AM.....defective or not....so abortion is
not a flippant choice....it's the manipulation of the fully developed human to manipulate it's environment.....much like getting
cats and dogs neutered and spayed....only after the fact.......

Quoted from Box A Rox

So for Cicero... this is a car!

And this is a car... there is no difference, except the stage of development.


They are identical!

So are you saying if your car is missing a piece of interior trim it is no longer a car?

Quoted from Henry

So are you saying if your car is missing a piece of interior trim it is no longer a car?

That would make it an incomplete car.
When a chicken egg is fertilized, it begins being it's journey to being a chicken.  It isn't a chicken of course
but it is on it's way to be a chicken.  At some point along the way, it becomes a chicken.

Quoted from Box A Rox

That would make it an incomplete car.
When a chicken egg is fertilized, it begins being it's journey to being a chicken.  It isn't a chicken of course
but it is on it's way to be a chicken.

Of course...it's obvious!LOL

Quoted Text

Full Definition of EXTANT

1
archaic :  standing out or above
2
a :  currently or actually existing
b :  still existing :  not destroyed or lost
See extant defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of EXTANT

There are few extant records from that period.
one of the oldest buildings still extant
There is, he reports, no extant copy of the Super Bowl I television broadcast; nobody bothered to keep the tapes. —Joe Queenan, New York Times Book Review, 1 Feb. 2009
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Origin of EXTANT

Latin exstant-, exstans, present participle of exstare to stand out, be in existence, from ex- + stare to stand — more at stand
First Known Use: 1545
Related to EXTANT

Synonyms
alive, around, existent, existing, living
Antonyms
dead, extinct, nonextant

Quoted Text

hu′man be′ing
n.  
1.  any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens.

2.  a person, esp. as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:

Is a human embryo not a species of the Homo sapiens?  I believe has all the genetic material of Homo sapiens.  It is an individual living organism. Unless in the embryotic stage, the genetic material is that of something different than a human being, and at some point through its development, that genetic material spontaneously converts into Homo sapiens.

Quoted from CICERO

Is a human embryo not a species of the Homo sapiens?  I believe has all the genetic material of Homo sapiens.  It is an individual living organism. Unless in the embryotic stage, the genetic material is that of something different than a human being, and at some point through its development, that genetic material spontaneously converts into Homo sapiens.

Cissy and I agree.  The zygote is HUMAN LIFE... Just not a Human Being.  The zygote may some day become
a human being, but as yet it is still a HUMAN zygote.  
Is cissy really saying that this:

Is a human being?
OH WAIT.  CISSY IS CORRECT!  I recognize this zygote now... IT'S BOB!  Damn... he has his mothers eyes, but
his dad's chin, and his grandpa's bald head... (if he had a head, or a chin, or eyes, but since he's just a human
zygote, he has none of these)

So a human embryo isn't related in any way to Homo sapiens?  I'm using the definition of human being, not human life.  I admit I was wrong, I thought human being meant the conscious state of a human.  When it means is a member of the Homo sapiens.  Now, is a zygote a homo sapien or is it something other than homo sapien until a certain stage of development, then it suddenly becomes the homo sapien species?

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cissy and I agree.  The zygote is HUMAN LIFE... Just not a Human Being.  The zygote may some day become
a human being, but as yet it is still a HUMAN zygote.  
Is cissy really saying that this:

Is a human being?
OH WAIT.  CISSY IS CORRECT!  I recognize this zygote now... IT'S BOB!  Damn... he has his mothers eyes, but
his dad's chin, and his grandpa's bald head... (if he had a head, or a chin, or eyes, but since he's just a human
zygote, he has none of these)

society gives the label Bob/citizen/voter/taxpayer and judges who he/she takes after, when it can drive, vote, get married
etc etc......

so if society/government/church gets to decide by projection what the value of your human being DNA/RNA is, then you are
not of yourself anymore than that zygote living in the woman's uterus......

Just a note for Cicero:

Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature for the human species. Homo is the human genus,
which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid; H. sapiens is the
only surviving species of the genus Homo.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Just a note for Cicero:

Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature for the human species. Homo is the human genus,
which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid; H. sapiens is the
only surviving species of the genus Homo.

That's fine.  Does it change the question?  Is a zygote not a human being?  After all, even dead Neaderthals are identified as the Homo genus species.  

You should stop using human being for your argument.  It doesn't work.  Use "personhood", that is the political definition of what constitutes when a life can be destroyed intentionally without it being homicide.  You should never argue in favor of abortion by trying to cite science.  It's a losing argument.  Stick to political and legal language.