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what ever happened to the bridge that connects Bellevue with mt pleasant?


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The Oak St Bridge - it's still in "limbo" - and still a major reason Altamont Ave is more congested than it's ever been.


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The Oak St Bridge - it's still in "limbo" - and still a major reason Altamont Ave is more congested than it's ever been.


It's in limbo because Amtrak and Conrail are both saying "it's your responsibility" to fix it...and the city decided to spend money on the Erie Blvd boondoggle rather than use the money to fix a bridge that actually has a public purpose.
I'm guessing the city will need to take both of them to court to get the ball rolling... I used the bridge every day. I will be relocating in 10 years or so...I think it's 50/50 it will be fixed by then


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Funny how they have code enforcers that blast the property owners for not addressing their 'code issues'..........but the city can't even take care of their own!!

Whether they own it or not. They should be putting as much effort into getting that bridge up and running as they do harassing the property owners.


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These bridge issues come up from time to time, because the bridges are aging, and every time, it is as if planet earth has never witnessed such an event before. This is what local governments, and when there are multiple jurisdictions, state governments, or even federal government is for. What it takes, is for the government where the bridge is located to get things started. However, our local mayor is out playing Robert Moses, Donald Trump, Action Jackson, etc.
Bridges are the real, legitimate work of government. Not too glamorous and exciting, is it?
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they are probably afraid to send workers over there with the contaminated ground....


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"Action Jackson"? our mayor?  LMAO!! hes more like jackson browns"the pretender"
but i thought it was said that foot traffic can still use the bridge?   send him over it first!  
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Leave it to the nayboobs to completely f-up every discussion of every issue.  The difference between Erie Blvd and the 8th Avenue Bridge is that Erie Blvd IS clearly the city's responsibility while the 8th Avenue Bridge is the responsibility of BOTH the city and the railroad to maintain.  The fact that the railroads won't live up to their responsibilities is a HUGE problem all across the country - not just in Schenectady.
Furthermore, the city could not have legally used the federal funds granted for the Erie Blvd project to repair or replace the 8th Avenue Bridge.  
Erie Blvd looks great -- and the 8th Avenue Bridge will, too.  Once the railroads step up to the plate and shoulder their responsibility for helping to maintain infrastructure along their right-of-way.


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Do you think profanity helps to get your point across? I think it makes you look ignorant
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Leave it to the nayboobs to completely f-up every discussion of every issue.  The difference between Erie Blvd and the 8th Avenue Bridge is that Erie Blvd IS clearly the city's responsibility while the 8th Avenue Bridge is the responsibility of BOTH the city and the railroad to maintain.  The fact that the railroads won't live up to their responsibilities is a HUGE problem all across the country - not just in Schenectady.
Furthermore, the city could not have legally used the federal funds granted for the Erie Blvd project to repair or replace the 8th Avenue Bridge.  
Erie Blvd looks great -- and the 8th Avenue Bridge will, too.  Once the railroads step up to the plate and shoulder their responsibility for helping to maintain infrastructure along their right-of-way.


It's Oak St Democraticvoiceofreason ... I thought you were on the planning commission/board - you really should know your surroundings a little better.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Structural-issues-shut-city-bridge-4457060.php



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Furthermore, the city could not have legally used the federal funds granted for the Erie Blvd project to repair or replace the 8th Avenue Bridge.  


First....and correct me if i'm wrong here....but wasn't the money used for Erie....suppose to go to revitalize hamilton hill?

Second.....who has been inspecting the oak st bridge for the past decades? Did someone inspect it one day and found it unsafe and close it down? Did this bridge deteriorate over night? Exactly how long has the city dimwits been in talks with therailroad about this bridge? The city dimwits don't appear to have been very pro-active!

those railroad tracks were there long before the bridge. So who built the bridge? Did the railroad 'need' that bridge to continue to run? Who's idea was it to build the bridge? The railroad?

People should start calling the railroad and get the TRUTH!!


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Amtrak Subsidies: This is no Way to Run a Railroad

By Stephen Moore
May 22, 1997
Last year Amtrak celebrated its silver anniversary. After a quarter-century, we still haven’t learned what should have been evident when Richard Nixon launched this ill-begotten experiment: Uncle Sam doesn’t have a clue as to how to run a railroad.

Since 1972 Amtrak has received more than $13 billion of federal subsidies. Twenty-five years later, Amtrak appears no closer to financial independence than the day taxpayer assistance began. Worse, Amtrak has no apparent plan to become self-sufficient. In fact, it is now pressing for a half-cent of the federal gasoline tax in order to have a permanent umbilical cord to the federal treasury. That hardly seems fair, since people who pay the gasoline tax — that is, people who drive their cars — aren’t using Amtrak.

A recent Cato Institute study which I coauthored with Wendell Cox and Jean Love shows that virtually every stated justification for continued Amtrak subsidies is based on myth, not reality. Examples:Amtrak makes a negligible contribution to the nation’s transportation system. Amtrak represents just .007 percent of all daily commuter trips and just 0.4 percent of all intercity trips.

Amtrak’s typical riders are not low-income Americans. The poor are less likely to travel by Amtrak than by most other travel options. Only 13 percent of Amtrak passengers have incomes below $20,000. The average Amtrak rider has a higher household income than the average taxpayer. In fact, the clientele for Amtrak Metroliner service between Washington and New York consists largely of Wall Street traders, K Street lobbyists and other affluent business travelers. These folks aren’t poor.

But it’s a myth that Amtrak simply could not survive under private ownership and operation. There is no law of nature or economics that says that trains must lose money. Because of government control, however, Amtrak costs are far higher than necessary. Amtrak provides especially unprofit-able services for political reasons, and it is hamstrung by archaic work rule provisions that make it more expensive than other travel options. For example, federal law requires Amtrak to pay up to six years of severance pay to workers who are laid off.

If Amtrak could shed some of its worst money-losing routes, reorganize its management and reform its Byzantine work rules, it could save hundreds of millions of dollars. Competitively contracting food service could also save millions of dollars (and might improve meal service) on the trains.

Freed of excessive federal regulation and political control, Amtrak would be capable of earning profits on some services, especially in the Northeast Corridor. The Metro-liner, which serves the Northeast Corridor, already covers 90 percent of its fully allocated costs already and could be profitable in the absence of federal regulation and ownership. Some services, especially long-distance routes, could be operated at higher fares as “land cruises” with costs paid in full by users.

Amtrak has virtually no impact on reducing traffic congestion, pollution or energy use. Even a doubling of train ridership would reduce energy consumption and traffic congestion by less than 0.1 percent. Amtrak is by far the most highly subsidized form of intercity transportation. The average taxpayer subsidy per Amtrak rider is $100, or 40 percent of the total per-passenger cost. Even this figure doesn’t adequately express how hugely inefficient some long-distance routes are today. For example, the average subsidy to a New York-Los Angeles rider exceeds $1,000. The estimated round trip subsidy per passenger for a Denver-Chicago trip is $650. It would be cheaper for taxpayers to shut down routes like these and purchase discount round-trip airfare for all Amtrak riders.

Most Americans do not want to see rail passenger service disappear in the United States. Taking a train trip is fun, exciting and often memorable. Many routes go through breathtaking scenery, such as those running through Glacier National Park. Trains are a wonderful way to see America.

For hopelessly unprofitable routes, service should be canceled, just as cruise line service from Florida to the Caribbean would be canceled if it were unable to operate in The black. Services that lose money routinely fail. There is no more reason for taxpayers to subsidize Amtrak than to subsidize United Airlines, Greyhound Bus Company or Carnival Cruise Lines.

Amtrak can be profitable. But only if Congress puts it back on track by weaning the railroad from federal subsidies. For 20 years, Amtrak supporters have promised that self-sufficiency is “just around the corner.” Now is the time for Amtrak to turn that corner.

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Stephen Moore is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute.


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Railroad Rehabilitation & Improvement Financing (RRIF)
Program Overview

The RRIF program was established by the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (TEA-21) and amended by the Safe Accountable, Flexible and Efficient Transportation Equity Act: a Legacy for Users (SAFETEA-LU). Under this program the FRA Administrator is authorized to provide direct loans and loan guarantees up to $35.0 billion to finance development of railroad infrastructure. Up to $7.0 billion is reserved for projects benefiting freight railroads other than Class I carriers.

The funding may be used to:

Acquire, improve, or rehabilitate intermodal or rail equipment or facilities, including track, components of track, bridges, yards, buildings and shops;
Refinance outstanding debt incurred for the purposes listed above; and
Develop or establish new intermodal or railroad facilities
Direct loans can fund up to 100% of a railroad project with repayment periods of up to 35 years and interest rates equal to the cost of borrowing to the government.

Eligible borrowers include railroads, state and local governments, government-sponsored authorities and corporations, joint ventures that include at least one railroad, and limited option freight shippers who intend to construct a new rail connection.

Please refer to the RRIF Program Fact Sheet for additional information.



http://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0128


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So why and who's idea was it to build the oak st bridge? It clearly was not required nor needed for the railroad.
It's not a train bridge like on heldeberg, curry  or campbell ave.
It's for foot and vehicle traffic.

So WHO?


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