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Libertarian4life
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Quoted from Box A Rox
ALBANY, N.Y. —
Gov. Andrew Cuomo will propose measures this week to benefit some of New York's
more than 900,000 military veterans, targeting businesses owned by disabled vets
for some state contracts, according to administration officials familiar with the plan.

Cuomo is set to outline his agenda for 2014 in the state-of-the-state address Wednesday.
He also plans to hold a summit this spring on the needs of veterans and services for them
and their families.
Wall Street Journal

Thank You Gov Cuomo!


In the Soviet Union the government and the military got more than equal treatment under the law as well.


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Women owned business get breaks/preferred treatment
Minority owned business get breaks/preferred treatment
Small Business get breaks/preferred treatment
Hiring Union Labor gets breaks/preferred treatment
HUD zone businesses get breaks/preferred treatment
Corporations using any of the above get tax breaks (State and Federal)
Colleges award scholarships based on many of the same criteria as well as others
Colleges get tax breaks (State and Federal) for enrolling the above
"Sports" talented individuals get preferred educational treatment, even
though they may not come close to qualifying educationally
ALL businesses practice nepotism over qualification
Proposal is for giving preferred status to businesses owned by Disabled Veterans....
HOW TERRIBLE THAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN SUCH A SHAMEFUL THING!!!!


How terrible that the government is allowed to favor anyone.

We have devolved into a caste system whereby favored groups are more equal than others.

Businesses can practice nepotism.

The government should not.

I guess the equal rights thing was just a passing fad.
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I guess the equal rights thing was just a passing fad.

No, the equal rights thing didn't/doesn't exist,

hence Government intervention....DUH!!!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So for that contracts should be given to them rather then a company who can provide a better service or product and maybe at a cheaper price. Its funny how you mock some but defend your category when given the same special treatment.


So talented sports student with 2.3 grade average should get scholarship and preference over 3.8 student with no sports talent
So minority owned business should get contracts over others that may be less cost and more qualified
So a company located in a HUD zone should get preference......
So a woman owned business should get preference......

GET IT YET?  Everyone wants to jump on veterans benefits but play dumb-dumb in understanding
that many other groups, ethnicities, etc. have those benefits.  GET OVER IT!!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So talented sports student with 2.3 grade average should get scholarship and preference over 3.8 student with no sports talent
So minority owned business should get contracts over others that may be less cost and more qualified
So a company located in a HUD zone should get preference......
So a woman owned business should get preference......

GET IT YET?  Everyone wants to jump on veterans benefits but play dumb-dumb in understanding
that many other groups, ethnicities, etc. have those benefits.  GET OVER IT!!!!!


There should be no special treatment due to race, gender, service, yes this is just one more on the specials list but it doesn't make it right. Now the people who tried to do things right but didn't fall under the "special" category will be pushed to the side or not even given a 2nd glance. But like I said to box since this is your group you have no arguments, I got mine screw everyone else as he would say



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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There should be no special treatment due to race, gender, service, yes this is just one more on the specials list but it doesn't make it right. Now the people who tried to do things right but didn't fall under the "special" category will be pushed to the side or not even given a 2nd glance. But like I said to box since this is your group you have no arguments, I got mine screw everyone else as he would say



Perfect world doesn't exist....
as I stated in earlier post,

"No, the equal rights thing didn't/doesn't exist,

hence Government intervention....DUH!!!!!!
"


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Quoted from Henry


There should be no special treatment due to race, gender, service, yes this is just one more on the specials list but it doesn't make it right. Now the people who tried to do things right but didn't fall under the "special" category will be pushed to the side or not even given a 2nd glance. But like I said to box since this is your group you have no arguments, I got mine screw everyone else as he would say



I or no one that I know will benefit from this legislation.  I support Cuomo's effort to help disabled
veterans and applaud this project.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Perfect world doesn't exist....
as I stated in earlier post,

"No, the equal rights thing didn't/doesn't exist,

hence Government intervention....DUH!!!!!!
"


Competing and being the best is what should count and be the motivation to push further, what motivation is there to those not on the "special" list now, even if the best they will be pushed off to the side because they're not a minority or didn't serve. Its a shame this is where we are today and its a shame you are for this "special" treatment.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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So talented sports student with 2.3 grade average should get scholarship and preference over 3.8 student with no sports talent
So minority owned business should get contracts over others that may be less cost and more qualified
So a company located in a HUD zone should get preference......
So a woman owned business should get preference......

GET IT YET?  Everyone wants to jump on veterans benefits but play dumb-dumb in understanding
that many other groups, ethnicities, etc. have those benefits.  GET OVER IT!!!!!


None of them should get preference...I think that's the point.  And if the governor wants to award contracts to veteran businesses, DONT SEND OUT A PRESS RELEASE...JUST AWARD THE CONTRACT.  Announcing your intentions demeans the vet businesses legitimate ability to compete, and is nothing more than POLITICAL PANDERING.  

If you favor pandering through government contracts, then Halliburton and pandering to the military industrial complex should be your favorite company.  To say pandering is a fact of politics in fascist America doesn't make it right.


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I or no one that I know will benefit from this legislation.  I support Cuomo's effort to help disabled
veterans and applaud this project.  


By putting them ahead of others who might of worked more hard to succeed, yeah of course you are for it.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Competing and being the best is what should count and be the motivation to push further, what motivation is there to those not on the "special" list now, even if the best they will be pushed off to the side because they're not a minority or didn't serve. Its a shame this is where we are today and its a shame you are for this "special" treatment.


You must have missed reading posts:
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I don't particularly agree with these policies, because much has changed over
the years....however, just like everything else, if people don't do what is right
someone always has to step in to push them to do the right thing....

and I repeat....NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT WORLD!
and I repeat, if things had been done as they should have been, then the Government wouldn't
have created these programs. Is it fair...to some it is, to some others it isn't.
I personally was a victim of these policies twice, but I'm not sitting here whining about it...
because I understand what caused them to be enacted.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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I personally was a victim of these policies twice, but I'm not sitting here whining about it...
because I understand what caused them to be enacted.


I also know 1st hand about this, another contractor got a job because he got brownie points for being a minority. In the end the brownie points weren't enough and the better contractors (me) had to be hired back because 2nd place wasn't good enough for them. If they were better then they would have deserved the job but they weren't, I don't feel sorry for them, I hope they try harder and succeed but it shows how flawed a system "special treatment" is.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Here's great example for the "sports" awarded scholarships at college level and how this is a total JOKE!
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For the period stretching from 2003-04 to 2006-07, SU graduated its male basketball players at a 45 percent rate. The national Division I average was 70 percent.

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Of the 12 scholarship basketball players to enroll as Orange freshmen, only five completed four-year careers at SU

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2013/10/syracuse_mens_basketball_gradu.html


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this will happen with national healthcare.....everyone will have to go to the doctor rated #2 because the government had to help
him/her get the job.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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