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CICERO
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Quoted from Box A Rox
The Parade for L 4 Life and his Draft Dodgers.

America appreciates your sacrifice!  


Draft dodgers didn't ask for parades(unlike soldiers).  Not being subjected to orders to kill in a land 10k miles away was enough.


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In this Country, and in most Countries, when a person commits murder on behalf of another, the law looks at both of them equally.. If convicted, they are both considered murderers.   What part of that simple concept don't you get?


So, Johnson was guilty of the Mi Lai massacre?

Obama is guilty of every innocent killed by a drone?

Bush is guilty of every innocent killed in Iraq?

Wait, I'm starting to like where you are going with this.

But are the sleeping Japanese justifiable targets by the US for actions committed by the government?

Is every sleeping American guilty of war crimes committed by our military?

I believe that your assignment of guilt down the line from the order giver to the actual killer may be valid.

But just as box asks, are the people mowing their own lawns or sleeping guilty of the actions by their government?

Box seems to know American innocents when he sees it, but foreign innocent lives don't exist in his world.

They are all guilty.

These are the beliefs of terrorists.

The issue is civilians.

Is it no longer an acceptable defense for civilians to not be part of a war?

Is it now a defense that innocents are legal targets when you self justify your military strikes?

This would tend to be putting peace loving Americans at risk in this new world order where civilian status is no longer meaningful.



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In this Country, and in most Countries, when a person commits murder on behalf of another, the law looks at both of them equally.. If convicted, they are both considered murderers.   What part of that simple concept don't you get?


It excluded government agents.  Military abide by an anti social code of conduct.  If a Cripp does a drive by shooting of a rival gang and shoots innocent bystanders, they are held accountable.  When done under the flag, it's collateral damage.  Americans do not hold memorials for innocent victims living under foreign governments.


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Democide is very real but in order to occur you need idiots to follow the orders of ones own government, they use the argument of patriotism, peace, spreading democracy and a number of other complete lies to brainwash the idiots into doing their business.

He's five foot two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of thirty-one and he's only seventeen
Been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
And he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will
Kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada
He's fighting for France, he's fighting for the U.S.A.
And he's fighting for the Russians
And he's fighting for Japan
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy, he's fighting for the Reds

He says "It's for the peace of all"
He's the one who must decide, who's to live and who's to die
And he never sees the writing on the wall

But without him
How would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body as a weapon of the war
And without him all this killing can't go on

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from here and there and you and me
And brothers can't you see
This is not the way we put the end to war



100% truth.

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It excluded government agents.  Military abide by an anti social code of conduct.  If a Cripp does a drive by shooting of a rival gang and shoots innocent bystanders, they are held accountable.  When done under the flag, it's collateral damage.  Americans do not hold memorials for innocent victims living under foreign governments.


America does not recognize any person's right to be innocent.

Anyone in the targeted area is guilty and subject to execution.


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Only pro government voices are allowed here?



Oh!  L4Life is now declaring himself a VICTIM!  

Any voices are welcome in any thread...
but at a remembrance of those who died at Pearl Harbor is not a place for you
to promote your personal agenda which denigrates those being remembered.

Take your "VICTIMHOOD" to another thread where it will be appropriate.

(L4Life is playing the part of the Westboro Baptist Church on our board)  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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for all of your talk, I'm sure you're glad that our soldiers "murdered" for you some 70 years ago.
Otherwise, you'd be speaking German, Russian, or Japanese and Freedom of Speech would only be in  Historybooks someones recollection


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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OK....I remember my grandfather saying that pearl harbor was a set up. HONEST TO GOD he said that!!!! HONEST!!!

Now, he may have not remembered correctly or forgot or was just confused from PTSD.....or just plain old.

I was just a teen when he said that, so I didn't put much stock in it then.

I am admitting that this may be a 'theory' / 'lie' started back then.

So I did a google search and altho there are many websites....I just picked this one.
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2012/10/pearl-harbor-was-setup.html

again...........it can be all hogwash. I can't verify nor defend the issue.

just sayin.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from bumblethru
OK....I remember my grandfather saying that pearl harbor was a set up. HONEST TO GOD he said that!!!! HONEST!!!

Now, he may have not remembered correctly or forgot or was just confused from PTSD.....or just plain old.

I was just a teen when he said that, so I didn't put much stock in it then.

I am admitting that this may be a 'theory' / 'lie' started back then.

So I did a google search and altho there are many websites....I just picked this one.
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2012/10/pearl-harbor-was-setup.html

again...........it can be all hogwash. I can't verify nor defend the issue.

just sayin.


I'm sure the US military thought a attack in the Philippines or Guam was a possibility because of the US blockade of much needed oil for Japan, but the attack on Pearl was something no one could have expected. It was a daring gamble that worked.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Oh!  L4Life is now declaring himself a VICTIM!  

Any voices are welcome in any thread...
but at a remembrance of those who died at Pearl Harbor is not a place for you
to promote your personal agenda which denigrates those being remembered.

Take your "VICTIMHOOD" to another thread where it will be appropriate.

(L4Life is playing the part of the Westboro Baptist Church on our board)  


I don't celebrate the death of anyone.

That is your schtick.

You don't decide what words of mine are appropriate.

You can voice your opinion, but you have no right to tell be where my words belong.

I don't tell anyone else where to post.

Stop being a good Obamanazi.

If someone wants to claim victimization of our soldiers by an outside attack, they better be prepared for the onslaught of rebuttal.

No US soldier is innocent.

Just as the other poster said, the entire organization is guilty.

From the guy with the gun, knife, tank, cruise missile or drone, to the guy giving the orders.

That includes the bookkeepers, lawyers, and all other support services for the military.

Newman just admitted his guilt in Korean war crimes for being an adviser.




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I'm sure the US military thought a attack in the Philippines or Guam was a possibility because of the US blockade of much needed oil for Japan, but the attack on Pearl was something no one could have expected. It was a daring gamble that worked.


The Japanese were using logic similar to that of the US.

That the US was a threat and pre-emptive strikes were ok.

Obviously the blockades were considered the first use of force against them.

Thereby justifying retaliation.




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No US soldier is innocent.

... the entire organization is guilty.




SO is the reverse also true???
IS no CIVILIAN (your group) innocent or is the entire group GUILTY if ONE is GUILTY.
Are you GUILTY for CIVILIAN Atrocities???  Or does your twisted logic only apply to
OTHERS, never to Innocent YOU???


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I don't celebrate the death of anyone.

That is your schtick.

You don't decide what words of mine are appropriate.



Yes, YOU just like the Westboro Baptist Church decide what is appropriate... they
protest a funeral... I'm sure your twisted anti military views see nothing wrong with
that!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!

You go right ahead and think what you want, because

I am very comfortable with who I am and who I am not,

and I have no need to justify anything, especially to you!


and you don't have to be justified by the rest of us to patronize you above all others.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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respect is earned just like a paycheck.....and most of us think there is never enough in it.....


parades
medals
honor
federal holidays
flags
etc etc etc..........

I'm not saying what you did/do was nothing, I'm saying it's not any more than what anyone else chooses to do/did.....

you are a political pawn....for an outcome not apparent to most idealists.....

LOOK FOR THE $$ TRAIL and you'll see why......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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