"Eastern European people were speaking Russian after WWII" I find that very interesting. In my travels to Germany, I've never heard of this. The Germans were amazingly candid about discussing WWII and wanted to understand views by other countries. Would love to read about it....can you provide link to info. I've searched and found nothing.
I didn't say German nationals were speaking Russian, but rather the the German speaking people in the areas the Soviet Union acquired after WWII. They were cleansed from their land. Read about the expulsion of Germans between 1945-1950. Yes, it's true, the German language erased from many of the lands acquired by the Russians.
Kaliningrad Oblast (Russian: Калинингра́дская о́бласть, Kaliningradskaya oblast) is a federal subject of Russia (an oblast) on the Baltic coast. It has a population of 941,873 (2010 Census).[8]
The territory of the Kaliningrad Oblast is that of the northern part of historical East Prussia (German: Nord-Ostpreussen), which was an exclave of Germany from World War I until 1945. That year, it was occupied by the Soviet Union, whose armies remained until the war ended. The region was later annexed to the Soviet Union under border changes promulgated in the Potsdam Agreement, when it was attached to the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. Most of its indigenous German population were killed or fled westward to what would become West Germany during the last months of the war. The rest were expelled between 1944 and 1950. Russian settlers were moved in, and the population has been majority Russian ever since.
By 1950 total of at least 12 million Germans had fled or were expelled from east-central Europe, some sources put the total at 14 million if one counts emigrants to Germany after 1950 and the children born to the expellees. This was the largest movement or transfer of any population in modern European history. The largest numbers came from the former eastern territories of Germany acquired by Poland and the Soviet Union (about 7 million) and from Czechoslovakia (about 3 million). It was also the largest among all the post-war expulsions in Central and Eastern Europe, which displaced more than twenty million people in total. The events have been variously described as population transfer, ethnic cleansing or genocide. Nazi Germany planned the deportation of 45 million "non-Germanizable" people from Central and Eastern Europe but lost the war.
The death toll attributable to the flight and expulsions is disputed, with estimates ranging from at least 500,000 confirmed deaths up to a demographic estimate from the 1950's of 2,2 million. More recent estimates by some German historians put the total at 473,000 attested deaths, they maintain the unconfirmed reports of 1.9 million missing persons are unreliable. The German Historical Museum puts the figure at 600,000 victims, they maintain the figure of 2 million deaths in the previous government studies cannot be supported. However, the position of the German government, the German Federal Agency for Civic Education and the German Red Cross is that the death toll in the expulsions is between 2.0 to 2.5 million civilians.
The policy was part of the geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of postwar Europe; in part spoils of war, in part political changes in Europe following the war and in part recompense for atrocities and ethnic cleansings that had occurred during the war.
The displacements occurred in three somewhat overlapping phases, the first of which was the spontaneous flight and evacuation of Germans in the face of the advancing Red Army, from mid-1944 to early 1945.[1] The second phase was the disorganized expulsion of Germans immediately following the Wehrmacht's defeat.[1] The third phase was a more organized expulsion following the Allied leaders' Potsdam Agreement,[1] which redefined the Central European borders and approved orderly and humane expulsions of Germans from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.[2] Many German civilians were also sent to internment and labor camps.[3] The major expulsions were complete in 1950.[1] Estimates for the total number persons of German ancestry still living in Eastern Europe in 1950 range from 700,000 to 2.7 million.
I was referring to my discussions with Germans, not that you said it was Germans. This info is something I'm familiar with, but not picking up same understanding as you. My understanding is that the residents were expelled from their territories (some moved to US in large action by Government), and that those territories were taken over and annexed by Russia, thus Russian speaking population.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Senders sees a money trail for every issue. It's in most of his/her posts. It explains a lot!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I was referring to my discussions with Germans, not that you said it was Germans. This info is something I'm familiar with, but not picking up same understanding as you. My understanding is that the residents were expelled from their territories (some moved to US in large action by Government), and that those territories were taken over and annexed by Russia, thus Russian speaking population.
I was responding to the jingoism of "we would be speaking german if...". The only way that would happen is if Americans we displaced and replaced by germans. Like what happened in Eastern Europe. The very thing which the propaganda told Americans would happen in America, REALLY did happen in Eastern Europe. And it was done by the Allies(Russia) in Eastern Europe with the American's consent.
So again, go talk to the Germans that were forced out of their homes and forced to live under the East German Stasi government how they liked the outcome of the war.
2. God does not want thanks for people who have been killed.
3. God does not want thanks from those that have killed.
4. God wants the sins to be confessed so that they may be forgiven.
It's a very simple process.
Confess/admit your sins and ask forgiveness and it is granted.
Newman confessed and admitted being part of the actions against North Korea.
They accepted his confession and dropped all charges.
The problem we have is that box and those who share his mindset think that killing as many civilians as you need to is acceptable.
They won't even admit that killing a half million Vietnamese civilians was wrong.
It's very simple.
I admitted it and apologized on behalf of our murderous nation.
you really beleive newman "confessed" because he was guilty??? my god, you are living in a bigger fantasy world than I thought. He is an 85 year old man with a heart condition who was desperate to leave the shithole known as north korea and didnt have the lasting power of someone one third his age.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
That's conjecture. The only attacks on America were a one way suicide missions. The fact is, a lot of Eastern European people were speaking Russian after WWII. Ask an East German if they liked the outcome of the war.
The American people haven't suffered the affects of War since the civil war. So the only collective view of war is through war propaganda like the commonly used phrase "we'd all be speaking add language here if...".
if we had done nothing, do you really think germany would just let us be because there was ocean seperating us? as it was, German uboats sunk many cargo ships from long island to the gulf coast...it was hardly one way suicide missions watch Ken burns documentary, The War... germany had defintite plans of ruling the us and were training german soldiers as administrators And far as the " we'd be all speaking ...add language here" quote....please dont insult me be by trying to take it literally...you know EXACTLY what is meant by the statement
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
2. God does not want thanks for people who have been killed.
3. God does not want thanks from those that have killed.
4. God wants the sins to be confessed so that they may be forgiven.
Now he even assumes that he speaks for God!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Germany used to excuse of ethnic Germans to invade Poland. The biggest group of ethnic Germans outside of Germany was the U.S., wasn't it? Hitler would've been wanting to reunite us with the Fatherland.
When learning about WWII, how many American school children learn about the Potsdam Agreement and the expulsion of Germans(not Nazi's) from newly annexed Russian territory? Not something to celebrate if these where your German ancestors.
I would be willing to bet, that 9 out of 10 Americans don't even know that Stalin and the former Soviet Union gained the most territory as a result of WWII. Setting up communist governments in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania and Bulgaria. And adding the Baltic nations directly to the Union. And I'm certainly sure they aren't aware Truman was part of the negotiations.
Germany used to excuse of ethnic Germans to invade Poland. The biggest group of ethnic Germans outside of Germany was the U.S., wasn't it? Hitler would've been wanting to reunite us with the Fatherland.
Germans immigrated to the US. The Americas were not part of the Prussian empire . Hitler and the National Socialists rising in Germany wanted to reunify the land lost in the Treaty of Versailles. That's why they invaded Poland. America wasn't on the German radar, except to prevent us from stopping them from reclaiming the land they believed was German lands.
Germans immigrated to the US. The Americas were not part of the Prussian empire . Hitler and the National Socialists rising in Germany wanted to reunify the land lost in the Treaty of Versailles. That's why they invaded Poland. America wasn't on the German radar, except to prevent us from stopping them from reclaiming the land they believed was German lands.
why did they keep going east in russia? and south into North Africa... I guess Africa must have been an unknown part of the prussian empire
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
you really beleive newman "confessed" because he was guilty??? my god, you are living in a bigger fantasy world than I thought. He is an 85 year old man with a heart condition who was desperate to leave the shithole known as north korea and didnt have the lasting power of someone one third his age.
I always wonder how people feel they know North Korea is a sh!thole. I remember during the 80's I was led to believe Russia was a sh!thole. Then I talked to people who actually visited, their description created a much different picture than the news media and government propaganda.
I'm not saying the guy wasn't coerced to confess. Just wonder how accurate the image of North Korea created by propaganda is. I trust Dennis Rodman's description more the the Federal Government or news media.
I always wonder how people feel they know North Korea is a sh!thole. I remember during the 80's I was led to believe Russia was a sh!thole. Then I talked to people who actually visited, their description created a much different picture than the news media and government propaganda.
I'm not saying the guy wasn't coerced to confess. Just wonder how accurate the image of North Korea created by propaganda is. I trust Dennis Rodman's description more the the Federal Government or news media.
OMG...Dennis Rodman??? i wouldnt trust his opinion on his own sexualty, let alone North Korea...Do you REALLY think he gets to see the real North Korea??? He's nothing but a propaganda tool for North korea...he's too dumb to know it..he thinks Dear Leader is enamored with him just for him...
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Hitler was intensely interested in ethnic origins. The U.S. wasn't on his radar YET.... Schenectady had a German language newspaper up until the 1960's. I really don't believe we wouldn't have escaped notice, had he been successful in Europe. That would make a really cheesy miniseries, if it hasn't already.
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