These arguments always end the same way, box seems to need the last word so he can have it
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The last word??? Lets give the "last word" to the "spitter".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Henry, unless you experienced the issue, you are in no position to say it didn't happen... and if you read posts I've made before you would know that I was a victim of this idiocy in 1968. So if you choose to continue believing it was a fantasy, then that's your issue.
As for bringing it up, it's because Mr. L for L has clearly stated he would spit on me simply because I'm a Vietnam veteran. Not having done it doesn't condone his intent and reason. In this thread he claims not to hate Veterans, so that's why this was brought up...to show he's a hypocrite, liar and ignorant hater!
Mr. Bumbler...reading comprehension seems to be YOUR weakness, not mine. You've been a member of this forum long enough to have read EXACTLY the items I'm speaking about. So the only REDIRECT is by you because you twisted the comments being made and avoid responding to questions posed directly to you. So how about answering the question I posed to you about condoning the actions of spitting on Veterans.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Respect and honor are earned by doing the right thing, not by death and destruction.
A half a million civilians died at the hands of an organization that you joined and supported.
You can't blame away your guilt.
The military has not defended my freedom ever in my lifetime.
They are not doing anything that the founding fathers would be proud of.
Your brother in arms above, dares to compare the military death and destruction machine, to a man of non-violent protest seeking equality for all. Who was murdered by people who also believe in death and destruction as a problem solving tool.
Death and destruction is not something to be proud of or the give honor to.
Every day someone goes postal and kills people in the country and the government wants to blame everything except for teaching it as the cure for all problems, as they use it to solve all problems with the military and the police.
You seek to promote death and destruction as something to be perpetuated as a method of problem solving.
Every death creates more and more enemies.
You think that you can just kill them all.
You can't. It's a losing battle.
Your military machine has lost every battle since WW2.
It doesn't work.
Continuing the same methods will continue the same results.
Korea = disaster.
Iraq = disaster.
Viet Nam = disaster.
Afghanistan = disaster.
You can't even admit that your failures have done nothing but make the US the most hated country on the planet.
The entire world is watching and learning to act like the US military and police.
They, like you will continue to kill and destroy away all the problems of the world.
While failing to see that they and their belief in death and destruction is the actual cause of most of the world's problems.
Deduct the cost of all the wars the us has lost and the federal budget would be running a massive surplus, instead of being nearly bankrupt.
Deduct the cost of the internal drug war and police support and the local budgets would be running surpluses as well.
The cycle must be stopped.
They have the nerve to call it defense spending, while it is actually aggression spending.
Taking money from the taxpayers to finance your alleged protection scheme, whereby Americans are now fearful to travel anywhere because enemies are everywhere.
All enemies created by your organization that you support.
No respect for those who bring death and destruction to the table.
Stereotypes people because your hatred blinds you.
It isn't stereotyping when the entire organization is designed for the sole purpose, to kill and destroy anything and anyone who stands in the way of US world control.
The 'hater' seems to think that spitting on someone is an acceptable form of protest. Says a lot about his values. I wonder if the 'hater' will spit on the Marines returning from the Philippines?
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A Marine performing one good deed dose not absolve you idiots from the half million Viet Namese civilians you caused to die.
The military gets no respect from me until they learn to defend, not attack.
Initiation of the use of force is not acceptable behavior.
Stop teaching our kids your homicidal justification theory.
You have created an epidemic of homicidal kids that kill and destroy lives to solve problems.
You are guilty of teaching and promoting justifiable deadly force as a problem solving tool.
Henry, unless you experienced the issue, you are in no position to say it didn't happen... and if you read posts I've made before you would know that I was a victim of this idiocy in 1968. So if you choose to continue believing it was a fantasy, then that's your issue.
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There might of been a case or 2 but you know just as much as I do the myth was blown out of proportion to make it seem as if it were common place, it was not. Most of the myths like this were lies to discredit the anti-war movement and that is a fact. I don't buy for a second you were spit on for your service in Nam'.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So slaughtering a half million civilians is honorable to you?
Stop promoting terrorism.
You can't just call yourselves heroes.
Hero status is earned.
Murderous homicidal manics can't just call themselves heroes and force people to agree, or label them traitors, haters, possible terrorists or even worse, disrespectful spitters.
There might of been a case or 2 but you know just as much as I do the myth was blown out of proportion to make it seem as if it were common place, it was not. Most of the myths like this were lies to discredit the anti-war movement and that is a fact. I don't buy for a second you were spit on for your service in Nam'.
First you say it never happened.... now you say it may have happened a little....
I don't need you to believe me! I related what happened and never said it was the norm rather than the exception. It happened, and I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK! Your validation is irrelevant to me! By the way, it happened when I was coming home from boot camp for Xmas, and 1-1/2 yrs before I went to Nam.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Are the soldiers are fighting, dying and killing for THIS??? All for RESOURSES AND CONTROL!!! Hey.....do I hear the star spangled banner playing somewhere so the sheople can be brainwashed even more??? Our military folks are starting to smarten up and see the scam for what it is!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The largest anti-war movement in American history emerged during the weeks leading up to the attack on Iraq. Capped by massive rallies in Washington, DC on January 18 and New York City on February 15, the movement spanned generations and united diverse political interests to degrees that surprised participants and pundits alike.
As the war against Iraq commenced, however, public opinion began to shift. The surprisingly favorable coverage given protests in the weeks leading to the bombing of Baghdad on March 19 gave way to evening news reports about the growing numbers of people turning out for demonstrations and vigils to "support our troops." The nightly-news footage of parents and neighbors distraught over their loved ones' deployment to the danger zone testified to the emotional wreckage left on the homefront when troops ship off to war. At the same time, whatever the intent and stated purpose of the public musterings for the troops, the reality was that they were viewed with skepticism by many observers as thinly-veiled pep rallies for the war policy of the Bush administration.
There is still another layer to the pro-troop rhetoric that has escaped commentary, however. Implicit in it is the assumption that someone doesn't support the men and women in uniform. Behind that supposition lurk the myths and legends of homefront betrayal that have bedeviled American political culture since the Vietnam War, and which have been resuscitated recently by rumors of hostility toward military personnel.
By early April, stories were circulating in several US cities about uniformed military personnel being spat on or otherwise mistreated. In Asheville, North Carolina, two Marines were rumored to have been spat upon, while in Spokane, Washington, a threat to "spit on the troops when they return from Iraq" was reportedly issued. In Burlington, Vermont, a leader of the state National Guard told local television, "We've had some spitting incidents," and then claimed one of his Guardswomen had been stoned by anti-war teenagers.
Upon further investigation, none of the stories panned out — the Spokane "threat" stemmed from the misreading of a letter in the local paper promising that opponents of the war would not spit on returning soldiers — and yet, in each case the rumors were used to stoke pro-war rallies.
Many of the current stories are accompanied by stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans. The recent story of spitting in Asheville, for example, was traced to a local businessman who says he is a veteran who was also spat upon and called a "baby killer" when he returned from Vietnam. An Associated Press story of April 9 reported stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans surfacing in several cities including Spicer, Minnesota whose mayor said he was spat upon in the San Francisco airport while coming home from Vietnam in 1971.
Similar stories became quite popular during the Gulf War of 1991 which raised my curiosity about where they came from and why they were believed. There is nothing in the historical record — news or police reports, for example — suggesting they really happened. In fact, the Veterans Administration commissioned a Harris Poll in 1971 that found 94% of Vietnam veterans reporting friendly homecomings from their age-group peers who had not served in the military. Moreover, the historical record is rich with the details of solidarity and mutuality between the anti-war movement and Vietnam veterans. The real truth, in other words, is that anti-war activists reached out to Vietnam veterans and veterans joined the movement in large numbers.
Stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans are bogus. Born out of accusations made by the Nixon administration, they were enlivened in popular culture (recall Rambo saying he was spat on by those maggots at the airport) and enhanced in the imaginations of Vietnam-generation men — some veterans, some not. The stories besmirch the reputation of the anti-war movement and help construct an alibi for why we lost the war: had it not been for the betrayal by liberals in Washington and radicals in the street, we could have defeated the Vietnamese. The stories also erase from public memory the image, discomforting to some Americans, of Vietnam veterans who helped end the carnage they had been part of.
The facsimiles of spat-upon veteran stories that are surfacing now confuse the public dialogue surrounding the war. Debate about the war itself and the politics that got us into it is being displaced by the phony issue of who supports the troops. Everyone supports the troops and wishes them a safe and speedy homecoming. It's the mission they have been sent on that is dividing the nation and it is the mission that we have a right and obligation to question.
The "support the troops" symbolism also comes with a hidden agenda, a subtext that is about the anti-war movement. Understandably, the war brings a lot of emotion to the surface and some of that feeling stems from frustration with the economy, a sense of helplessness in the face of large-scale social and technological change, and fear that cherished American values are being lost. For some people, the real war is the war at home and the enemy coalition comes bundled for them in the anti-war movement. The redirection of their legitimate anger about the deteriorating quality of life in America onto peace activists is shortsighted scapegoating that won't solve problems.
The truth is that nobody spat on Vietnam veterans and nobody is spitting on the soldiers today. Attempts to silence opponents of the war with those figments of hostility are dishonest and should, themselves, be banished from our discourse.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I wonder how many Navy Corpsmen, who spent much of their time attending to Vietnamese civilians, were spit on by the "HATERS"? For many rural Vietnamese, a Navy corpsman (or Army medic) was the only medical attention they ever received in their entire lives.
Consider; A Navy Corpsman who spent much more of his time tending the wounds of the enemy than the wounds of fellow Americans. The care given to the enemy was no less than the care given to his fellow Marines.
Consider, An entire community infested with intestinal parasites, kids with legs and arms full of 'jungle rot', infants who's lives were saved by a Navy corpsman's medication to treat dysentery, broken bones set in the field with out the benefit of even an x-ray, by a Corpsman who's never set a bone in his life, and a compassionate Corpsman, after giving a shot of morphine, held the hand of a dying old man who had been gored in the head by a water buffalo.
One thing that I learned a long time ago about "HATE"... Eventually "HATE" is irrelevant to those being hated, but poisonous to the "HATERS".
Death and destruction is ok, but spitting is a heinous crime.
You and your brothers in arms have generated more hatred against America than ever in the history of out country.
I quoted a "SPITTER" in his own words admitting the deed. Apparently it did happen. Ask him.
I never denied it.
Your argument is lost.
Your trying to justify killing people wholesale, by being a couple disrespectful people who spit on your organization.
I'm not afraid to speak out against those who come home thinking they are heroes for killing in my name.
I have no respect for liars that attempt to persuade people that death and destruction is acceptable behavior, for those who self justify their actions by claiming to be defending me.
As long as you idiots keep claiming to be killing in my name, I have every right to spit on you and get in your face letting you know you are liars and do not act on my behalf.
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