Quoted from Box A Rox

Maybe I didn't understand your post... but it looks like you are suggesting that anyone in the
us military can be ordered to MURDER, and you say he took an oath to murder if ordered...
Is that really your position Cicero, or are you just posting out of your butt again?

Correct. Killing people without a trial arrest or due process is murder.

Quoted from Box A Rox

IF you want to see how Cicero runs from his own words, check out his post, then his reply when
I called him out on his charge that US Troops can be ordered to MURDER:


First Cissy posts MURDER, then he runs from his words.  What happened Cicero... are you
afraid of your own words???
Are you ready to retract your words:
" Though he didn't personally commit the murder, he
  took an oath to do so if ordered. "
My guess, Cissy will run from his "Commit MURDER if ordered to do so" words
and pretend that he never posted them!  

If you agree that Iraq was an illegal war, every casualty is a murder.  So if you were deployed to Iraq, and killed somebody, you murdered.  If you refused, you'd be jailed.

Quoted from CICERO

If you agree that Iraq was an illegal war, every casualty is a murder.  So if you were deployed to Iraq, and killed somebody, you murdered.  If you refused, you'd be jailed.

When a homeowner shoots someone breaking into his house, it's killing, but not  murder.
When a policeman shoots a criminal in the act of an armed robbery it's killing, but not murder.
When the State executes a criminal, it's killing but not murder.
When the US Military kills enemy troops engaged in a battle, it's killing but not murder.

Murder is what George Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin.
But you already know that.

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In a war in which the involved parties have all openly declared hostilities, killing enemy
soldiers on the battlefield is legal. Since murder is illegal by definition, killing a soldier on
the battlefield in a war can't be murder. A soldier who kills an enemy under the rules of
war isn't a murderer.

Philosophically, you could argue that murder and the act of killing during war are the same.
In both cases, the life of one person ends at the hands of another.  But because war is a
state in which countries sanction the use of armies of human beings in armed conflict with
one another, it doesn't fit the legal definition of murder.

By L4Life's definition of murder (if he has one) any Republican who votes to cut off food
stamps to a starving child, and the child dies, then ALL REPUBLICANS are guilty of murder.  After
all, a senior member of the Republican party took the action, but all in that group are
guilty.

Quoted from Box A Rox

When a homeowner shoots someone breaking into his house, it's killing, but not  murder.
When a policeman shoots a criminal in the act of an armed robbery it's killing, but not murder.
When the State executes a criminal, it's killing but not murder.
When the US Military kills enemy troops engaged in a battle, it's killing but not murder.

I understand the linguistics used to justify government murder and other antisocial behavior.

Let's remember.

The US military broke into Iraq's house, they were the intruders.  The only justifiable deaths were by those defending themselves from illegal intruders.

The US military is not a foreign governments civil police force.  They do not arrest, collect evidence, and testify in Iraqi courts.  

When the US military "battles" the "enemy" in a home they broke into illegally, they are murdering.  The costume doesn't change the fact that it is murder.  The only thing that changes is the legal jargon used to justify murder.

Quoted from CICERO

I understand the linguistics used to justify government murder and other antisocial behavior.

Let's remember.

The US military broke into Iraq's house, they were the intruders.  The only justifiable deaths were by those defending themselves from illegal intruders.

The US military is not a foreign governments civil police force.  They do not arrest, collect evidence, and testify in Iraqi courts.  

When the US military "battles" the "enemy" in a home they broke into illegally, they are murdering.  The costume doesn't change the fact that it is murder.  The only thing that changes is the legal jargon used to justify murder.

If you feel so strongly then Cicero, you should contact your attorney general and press Murder Charges.
Oh wait... You don't believe in govt... you don't acknowledge the authority over citizens by the
attorney general, or any other govt power.  
NEVER MIND!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

When the US Military kills enemy troops engaged in a battle, it's killing but not murder.

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When the US Military kills a half million civilians, it's murder.

Quoted from Box A Rox

By L4Life's definition of murder (if he has one) any Republican who votes to cut off food
stamps to a starving child, and the child dies, then ALL REPUBLICANS are guilty of murder.  After
all, a senior member of the Republican party took the action, but all in that group are
guilty.

Completely ignorant false premise.

Only you would consider cutting off food stamps murder.

Quoted from Box A Rox

If you feel so strongly then Cicero, you should contact your attorney general and press Murder Charges.
Oh wait... You don't believe in govt... you don't acknowledge the authority over citizens by the
attorney general, or any other govt power.  
NEVER MIND!  

I'm just highlighting your lack of concern for the millions killed on the name of  "protecting me".  You obsess about Trayvon Martin's death, and the person responsible stood trial and was found not guilty by his peers.  But you defend the hundreds of thousands of murders without anybody standing trial to justify them.  It amazes me how you spend so much energy rehashing the Trayvon Martin death, and hardly say a peep about the hundreds of thousand of organized murders committed  by the military over the last decade.  Not only do you not say a peep about them , you expect people to honor those responsible for the killings.  

The statists mind is very illogical.

Quoted from CICERO

  But you defend the hundreds of thousands of murders without anybody standing trial to justify them.  It amazes me how you spend so much energy rehashing the Trayvon Martin death, and hardly say a peep about the hundreds of thousand of organized murders committed  by the military over the last decade.  Not only do you not say a peep about them , you expect people to honor those responsible for the killings.  

I don't know of "Hundreds of thousands of Murders" committed by our military.  I know that there
has been murder charges brought against individuals, such as My Lai, and a few others.

Quoted from Box A Rox

I don't know of "Hundreds of thousands of Murders" committed by our military.  I know that there
has been murder charges brought against individuals, such as My Lai, and a few others.

That's because the statists mind operates in two realities.  Unjustified killing in the civilian world is considered heinous and illegal.  In the statist government world, those same unjustified illegal deaths at the hands of a government agent is justified under a separate set if rules.  You really must have to wrap your mind to live in these two separate realities.  You are empathetic toward the senseless killing of American civilians(Trayvon Martin), yet callus and cold toward the death of foreigners at the hands of illegal invaders, calling the deaths collateral damage.

For a person that called bush a war criminal for two years leading up to the 2008 election, you spend an awful amount of time following George Zimmerman stories, and virtually zero time calling for the prosecution of a war criminal.

Quoted from CICERO

For a person that called bush a war criminal for two years leading up to the 2008 election, you spend an awful amount of time following George Zimmerman stories, and virtually zero time calling for the prosecution of a war criminal.

GWB is still a war criminal, but IMO he never murdered anyone.

Canadians Seek Dick Cheney's Arrest For War Crimes During Upcoming Visit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/dick-cheney-canada-arrest_n_4175180.html

They are 'all' brainwashed cicero. if the truth were their reality......they too would be going thru shock treatments just like my grandfather did. the vets who came/come home from war with 'mental issues' are clearly the ones that went to war with a moral fiber running thru them. They were deceived and realized when it was too late that murder wasn't part of their make up.

Ya just can't kill another human being, that did nothing to you personally...and walk away 'proud'! If ya can.....you were totally brainwashed by the government.

Hey...let's hear that star spangled banner again.....and let's pledge our allegiance to the flag of FREEDOM!!

Quoted from Box A Rox

GWB is still a war criminal, but IMO he never murdered anyone.

...then Nazi's never murdered one Jew.  Hitler was a war criminal, but not a murderer.  Since his organized killing was conducted by government agents.  

I guess it is true, "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".  You and brother Joe think alike.

Quoted from CICERO

...then Nazi's never murdered one Jew.  Hitler was a war criminal, but not a murderer.  Since his organized killing was conducted by government agents.  

I guess it is true, "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".  You and brother Joe think alike.

Hitler was responsible for ordering the murder of millions.
The SS murdered throughout the war.
Most German troops played no part no part in those murders.