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an article or editorial in the gazette on figuring out what to do about bullying


big hint -  talk to the DA  - and enforce harassment charges

report any incidents to RPD (school resource officers)and have the student charged with the crime - let the child and parents navigate the court system


Really-DA?  So in other words, use the police and legal system to bully 13 year olds with threats of criminal records?  Awesome!  

I don't know one person that went to public school that one time or another wasn't picked on, teased, or bullied.  99.8% of kids that get picked on do not commit suicide.  Yet you want to suggest criminalizing teasing?  You are the reason I and others question sending kids to public schools.  It's maniac adults like you that are looking to criminalize adolescence.


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Really-DA?  So in other words, use the police and legal system to bully 13 year olds with threats of criminal records?  Awesome!  

I don't know one person that went to public school that one time or another wasn't picked on, teased, or bullied.  99.8% of kids that get picked on do not commit suicide.  Yet you want to suggest criminalizing teasing?  You are the reason I and others question sending kids to public schools.  It's maniac adults like you that are looking to criminalize adolescence.


So how should it be handled?


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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the problem is that the system removes/erases/eradicates that which is born into all humans,,,that is the right to defend/think
act/survive for one's self.....all in the name of making cogs

'artists' love fresh pieces of clay......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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So how should it be handled?


Stop compulsory schooling.  Give parents whose children are not emotionally equipped to handle public school an alternative - give a voucher rebating school taxes, so the small percentage of families can afford to remove their children from the environment.  Allow the free market to correct the problem.  If there is a problem with children whose personalities cannot handle teasing, allow a free market to develop a school environment that can accommodate these children.  Currently, very few families can afford to pay their school taxes and send their children to a private school.  So there is no incentive for private niche schools to open and specifically target this group of emotionally unstable children, because most people could never afford it.  They are trapped in the public school system.  

The sad part is, we put hundreds of children under one roof, from different backgrounds, with different personalities, and people are forced to expect the system to monitor and modify every child's behavior to accommodate their own child's personality and emotions because their alternatives are limited.    

Threatening a child with criminal action because he or she called their classmate "four eyes" or "fat" or "gay", or whatever other words adolescent use when teasing is a dangerous proposition.  

Know your children, know their emotions, know their personality. If your child cannot handle the prison like atmosphere called public school, stop sending them to this environment YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.  

As you see, the school conducted an investigation and conveniently found the school was not responsible for this tragedy.  They didn't even admit that their Kelso's Choice program failed. They just wanted to make sure they could wash their hands of it.

This is schools solution to bullying.  

And this tragedy shows that it was a failure.


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if students commit a crime - charge them with the crime

just like enforcing the running of red lights  - enforce the law and the behavior will stop  - another law that is tooo hard to enforce in rotterdam
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if students commit a crime - charge them with the crime

just like enforcing the running of red lights  - enforce the law and the behavior will stop  - another law that is tooo hard to enforce in rotterdam


Ve haff vays of correcting yor children's….


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calling someone who is fat who is overweight is not bullying - it is stating a fact - and not a crime

this is an issue of the application of the golden rule - and should be dealt with by applying the golden rule to ones a$$
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Quoted from exit3
calling someone who is fat who is overweight is not bullying - it is stating a fact - and not a crime


Really? Then can one kid, or for that matter...and adult....call another one GAY?....it is stating a fact....and not a crime....or is it?


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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bullying and hate crimes are no different than applying religious sin ratings

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Sins are what separate us from God and the heaven He has created for us. Sins are contrary to the law of God and can be by thought, word or by deed. There are different degrees of sin; not all are equally serious. The Church makes a distinction between sins stating that they are either venial or mortal sins. The distinction is determined according to scriptural references. You may not find the words venial and mortal in the Bible but the examples and consequences of each type of sin are plainly recorded. The Catholic Church merely applied names to the different degrees of sins as listed in the Bible

The New Testament maintains this distinction. In teaching his disciples to pray, Jesus directs them to seek forgiveness for their daily transgressions (see Mt. 6.12; Lk. 11.4). By contrast, he threatens his determined opponents with the condemnation of Gehenna (see Mt. 23.33). Certain sins exclude one from the kingdom forever (see Mt 25.43-46); some are unforgivable in a way that others are not (see Mt. 12.31-32; Mk. 3.28-30).

The Epistles reveal daily sins of which everyone can be guilty (see Jas. 3.2; 1 Jn. 1.. Then there also is the slavery to sin which leads to death (see Rom. 6.16). Certain sins call for excommunication (see 1 Cor. 5.13). The grave sins exclude from the kingdom (see 1 Cor. 6.9-10; Gal 5.19-21). (From Christian Moral Principles, Distinction among Sins, Sins of thought -- Chapter 15)

(Q): What is a Mortal Sin?
(A): Mortal sin is a grievous offense against the law of God. It is called mortal, which means deadly, because it deprives the sinner of sanctifying grace. In addition, mortal sin makes the soul an enemy of God. It takes away the merit of all its good actions. It deprives it of the right of everlasting happiness in heaven and makes it deserving of everlasting punishment in hell. To make a sin mortal three things are necessary:
(1) the thought, desire, work, action, or omission must be seriously wrong or considered seriously wrong;
(2) The sinner must be mindful of the serious wrong;
(3) The sinner must fully consent to it (Baltimore Catechism).

A mortal sin is a sin, which is incompatible with divine life. Those who commit and remain in mortal sin are excluded from the kingdom of God; they are separated from Jesus; they evict the Holy Spirit from their hearts. They incapacitate themselves for life in the Church, particularly for the reception of Holy Communion, which expresses and nourishes the living unity of humankind redeemed in Jesus. (From Christian Moral Principles, Distinction among Sins, Sins of thought -- Chapter 15)

The conditions required for mortal sin are three: grave matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent.

(Q): What are some examples of Mortal Sins?
(A): Some acts that are mortal sins are--killing the innocent, adultery, lying, theft, and so on. Of the latter, however, some necessarily bring about great harm: In killing the innocent the victim cannot be only somewhat dead, and in adultery the marriage bond cannot be only slightly defiled. Others can sometimes involve slight harm: In stealing, one can take a newspaper without paying for it or one can take somebody's entire livelihood; in lying, one can make a harmless joke or one can practice deception in a matter of life and death. (From Christian Moral Principles, Distinction among Sins, Sins of thought -- Chapter 15)

(Q): What is a Venial Sin?
(A): Venial sin is a less serious offence against the law of God. It does not deprive the soul of sanctifying grace, and it can be pardoned even without sacramental confession. A sin is venial when the evil done is not seriously wrong. It is venial when the evil done is seriously wrong but the sinner sincerely believes it is only slilghtly wrong, or does not give full consent to it. Venial sin harms us by making us less fervent in the service of God. It weakens our power to resist mortal sin. It also makes us deserving of God's punishments in this life or in purgatory (Baltimore Catechism).

Venial sin is a slight offence against the law of God in matters of less importance; or in matters of great importance it is an offence committed with out sufficient reflection or full consent of the will. (The Baltimore Catechism)

(Q): How can we keep from committing sin?
(A): We can keep from committing sin:

(1) by praying and receiving the sacraments (See Sacraments);
(2) by remembering that God is always with us;
(3) by recalling that our bodies are temples of the Holy Ghost;
(4) by keeping occupied with work and play;
(5) by promptly resisting the sources of sin within us;
(6) by avoiding the near occasion of sin.

(Q): What are the chief sources of sin?
(A): There are seven chief sources of sin: pride, covetousness, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, and sloth.

(NOTE: the following is taken from the Saint Meinrad Prayer Book)

PRIDE: Those who are prideful have a great admiration for their self. Prideful individuals make their own laws, and are judges of morality and are in essence their own God. Pride produces criticism, back-biting, slander, and character assassination, all of which elevates the ego of a prideful person

Pride produces:

Boasting - self glorification

Love of publicity - conceit in what others say

Hypocrisy-pretending to be what they are not

Discord-resenting anyone who crosses them

Quarrelsomeness--quarreling whenever another challenges their wishes

Disobedience--refusal to submit my will to the will of lawful superiors and to God's will.

COVETOUSNESS OR AVARICE: A perversion of humankind's God-given right to own things. Do I desire wealth in the form of money or other things as an end to itself rather than as a means to an end? In acquiring any type of wealth, do I disregard the rights of others? Am I dishonest, and if so, to what degree and in what fashion? How do I use what I have? Do I stoop to such devices as fraud, perjury or dishonesty in dealing with others? Do I fool myself by calling these practices by some other name than what they truly are?

LUST: an inordinate love and desire of the pleasures of the flesh. Do I engage in any type of sexual activity outside of marriage? If married, do I treat my spouse with respect or as a possession? Do I really think lust is love or that sex is love? Is my sense of values harmed by my lack of prudence and rashness?

ENVY: - Sadness at another's success. Does someone else's good fortune mean I am less of a person? Does their happiness or success take away from who I am or what I have accomplished? Do I resent those who are smarter, more socially adept, or more savvy than I? Do I criticize the good done by other because I secretly wish that I'd done it myself for the honor or prestige to be gained?

ANGER: - A violent desire to punish others. Do I ever fly into rages of temper, become revengeful, entertain urges to "get even with" someone? Do I ever resort to violence, clench fists or stomp about in a rage? Am I touchy, unduly sensitive, impatient in the least? Do I let anger disrupt my mental poise and good judgment? Do I permit myself to become angry when others are weak and become angry with me?

GLUTTONY: An abuse of lawful pleasures God attached to eating and drinking foods required for self-preservation. Do I ever drink alcohol to a level in which my intellect and personality deteriorate; my memory, judgment and concentration are affected; my personal pride and social judgment vanish; that I developed a spirit of despair?

SLOTH: An illness of the will that causes a neglect of duty. Am I lazy, given to idleness, procrastination, nonchalance, and indifference in material things? Am I lukewarm in my prayer life? Am I easily distracted from things spiritual, quickly turning to things temporal? Am I ever indolent to the extent that I perform work carelessly?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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this is an issue of the application of the golden rule - and should be dealt with by applying the golden rule to ones a$$


I agree!  The children being bullied should be encouraged to deal a can of golden rule whoop-a$$ on the bullies, not run to a school resource officer or DA.  


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Really? Then can one kid, or for that matter...and adult....call another one GAY?....it is stating a fact....and not a crime....or is it?


if you are happy,   sure I can call you GAY

no different than having a f** in your hand
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Big meeting being held at So Schdy Fire House......believe what the students are saying is true...who would know better.....

one incident ...he had a carton of milk stpilled over his head in the lunchroom....he was bullied also in elementary school...

Schalmont was never up front about anything....even about the drugs and drinking going on during school hours.

this was brought up in the 70's....NOT AT OUR CAMPUS...

and bullying comes from the teachers also....students were called retards...stupid...never going to amount to anything...

this is true for both statements......and also when an event was going on for a student.....a person in charge said...".come in and bite the bullet"

Bullying won't stop...until examples are set by the adults.. at home and other places.....

Anyone here going???...it already started...I would but I have had enough with this school district....

Bamboozle.....I hope the parents go ahead and sue.....
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Suicide is a private family issue.  Going to this meeting is giving far too much power over your children to the school.  I wouldn't give the school the satisfaction of showing up.

In general, school administrators and teachers are incompetent.  Sure, there are a few good teachers that want to teach, but the reality is, they are just pedagogues that carry out orders and teach how they are instructed to teach.  Do not stray from the curriculum- no matter how awful even the teacher admit it is.

If your child can't emotionally handle the schools prison like atmosphere, get them out.  Do not wait for the system to change to accommodate your child.  It ain't happening.


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Suicide is a private family issue.  Going to this meeting is giving far too much power over your children to the school.  I wouldn't give the school the satisfaction of showing up.

In general, school administrators and teachers are incompetent.  Sure, there are a few good teachers that want to teach, but the reality is, they are just pedagogues that carry out orders and teach how they are instructed to teach.  Do not stray from the curriculum- no matter how awful even the teacher admit it is.

If your child can't emotionally handle the schools prison like atmosphere, get them out.  Do not wait for the system to change to accommodate your child.  It ain't happening.


BINGO!!!! just because the school exists, doesn't mean it's a god.....it's just a system....just like church....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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