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DemocraticVoiceOfReason
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Are you upset that the NY taxpayer "invested" $1 billion dollars into a United Arabs Emirate owned company?  It's an investment, the sheiks deserve the money for investing into NYS. Sure, they could have used their own money, but why not take the taxpayer money the politicians are so eager to risk in the name of investment?  It's economic activity, and all economic activity is good.  All New Yorkers will surely see their taxes go down because of their $1 billion investment.  They always go down after these wonderful investments of taxpayer money goes into private businesses.


I would have preferred that the money be invested in an urban area.  They could have built that Global Foundries plant anywhere in the urban parts of Schenectady, Albany or Renselaer  counties where it would have REDEVELOPED vacant or underutilized industrial property.  
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of nayboobs attacking taxpayer money being used by Metroplex or for Proctor's in Schenectady -- but then praising Malta for taking 100 times more taxpayer dollars to fund Global Foundries.    Let's face it -- you nayboobs aren't objective .. you folks just want to whine and moan about Schenectady.  


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I would have preferred that the money be invested in an urban area.  They could have built that Global Foundries plant anywhere in the urban parts of Schenectady, Albany or Renselaer  counties where it would have REDEVELOPED vacant or underutilized industrial property.  
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of nayboobs attacking taxpayer money being used by Metroplex or for Proctor's in Schenectady -- but then praising Malta for taking 100 times more taxpayer dollars to fund Global Foundries.    Let's face it -- you nayboobs aren't objective .. you folks just want to whine and moan about Schenectady.  


Really?  Why didn't NYS give $1 billion to General Electric to come back to Schenectady?  

GE moving out of Schenectady is a lesson for all large manufacturers to study, as a reason never to locate in Schenectady.  



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Really?  Why didn't NYS give $1 billion to General Electric to come back to Schenectady?  

GE moving out of Schenectady is a lesson for all large manufacturers to study, as a reason never to locate in Schenectady.  



Malta got the money because they were a sound investment.

Schenectady is not.

The taxes are too high.

If Schenectady's taxes were equal to Malta's, Schenectady would also be a desirable business investment area.

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Malta got the money because they were a sound investment.

Schenectady is not.

The taxes are too high.

If Schenectady's taxes were equal to Malta's, Schenectady would also be a desirable business investment area.



sound investment  - the foreign owned company is on an active EPA super fund site(old GE rocket test facility) - and they use chemicals that pass thru your skin without damaging it and dissolves your bones - and the list goes on

the white color workers are here on a green card

and the zoot suited wetbacks are fools from the tri-cities

most of the supporting companies are squatting in the old test facility sheds which are listed as not to be used by anyone in the project site plan - tax free

tax payer money should never have been collected and dispensed on this project

it is not very different from PROCTORS

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I would have preferred that the money be invested in an urban area.  They could have built that Global Foundries plant anywhere in the urban parts of Schenectady, Albany or Renselaer  counties where it would have REDEVELOPED vacant or underutilized industrial property.  
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of nayboobs attacking taxpayer money being used by Metroplex or for Proctor's in Schenectady -- but then praising Malta for taking 100 times more taxpayer dollars to fund Global Foundries.    Let's face it -- you nayboobs aren't objective .. you folks just want to whine and moan about Schenectady.  


they shouldn't have gotten that......I'm objective


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Um, DVOR, read carefully and tell me where I said I "supported" ANYTHING. I am pointing out that cities upstate were never in the running for anything like that, because the politicians have already set up places like Albany, Schenectady, and Troy to serve as dump sites for the inconvenient by-products of globalization. They have the idiots here fighting old battles like desegregation, pointing fingers at each other, wailing over "the poor", "the homeless", "the hungry", meanwhile, they give away OUR MONEY to companies from places where they don't spend one cent on "helping" anybody, and locate them in places where nobody will have to even LOOK AT any icky poor people, and draw in employees from other areas of the United States, not locally, places where they don't concern themselves with PCism or anything at all like that.
McCheese, that idiot who woke up finally and is leaving, all those dimwits don't realize their stupid political maneuvering is not going to gain ONE THING for Schenectady. We are not going to be Hollywood on the Mohawk, GE is not going to add good paying jobs for the locals, this is not 1960, and your government isn't going to do anything FOR you, the best you can hope for is it won't do anything TO you.
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So you support taking money from the poor and giving it to help a multi-billion dollar foreign company build a huge industrial facility way out in the boondocks ??????????????????????????????  You have no problem with ignoring the aging urban centers and basically refusing to help create jobs that might help the poor?????????????????????????????????????   This after your tirade of lies about me.   No wonder you have absolutely no credibility.


in all due respect here.....that is EXACTLY what Schenectady is doing. I'm was not in favor of Malta/NY handing over millions in taxpayer $$$ to a very filthy rich arab company. BUT.....the resident/taxpayer in malta is reaping the benefits....NOT SO IN SCHENECTADY!!! The Schenectady residents are slowly bleeding to death with the highest taxes in the state, while the filthy rich are getting tax money/tax breaks /tax exemptions....and getting richer. And all the while Schenectady is becoming more and more of a sh!thole!!!

Now if ya wanna see low taxes....check out So. Colonie!!!!!!!


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Here's another interesting budget that just passed. $5 tax reduction; spending cuts; no job cuts; no raises

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Syracuse (WSYR-TV) - The Onondaga County legislature has voted to approve the budget for the upcoming year.

The $1.2 billion budget was unveiled by County Executive Joanie Mahoney last month.

The plan will cut taxes for the average homeowner about $5 and overall spending for the county in the budget will be down 3.5 percent.

And while it will not cut any county jobs, there will be no raises for employees


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Syracuse (WSYR-TV) - The Onondaga County legislature has voted to approve the budget for the upcoming year.

The $1.2 billion budget was unveiled by County Executive Joanie Mahoney last month.

The plan will cut taxes for the average homeowner about $5 and overall spending for the county in the budget will be down 3.5 percent.

And while it will not cut any county jobs, there will be no raises for employees


Check out the ruling political party.....http://www.ongov.net/legislature/members.html


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in all due respect here.....that is EXACTLY what Schenectady is doing. I'm was not in favor of Malta/NY handing over millions in taxpayer $$$ to a very filthy rich arab company. BUT.....the resident/taxpayer in malta is reaping the benefits....NOT SO IN SCHENECTADY!!! The Schenectady residents are slowly bleeding to death with the highest taxes in the state, while the filthy rich are getting tax money/tax breaks /tax exemptions....and getting richer. And all the while Schenectady is becoming more and more of a sh!thole!!!

Now if ya wanna see low taxes....check out So. Colonie!!!!!!!


This is so true, Malta, is NYS' Schenectady downtown, built up on tax breaks to the connected. It is working for them as they have the whole state including us flipping the bill with our tax dollars making up the difference. It's pretty hypocritical to be for what Malta has done and be against what Metroplex is doing. They are either both good ideas, or both bad ideas, choose a side.
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It's pretty hypocritical to be for what Malta has done and be against what Metroplex is doing. They are either both good ideas, or both bad ideas, choose a side.


Both bad ideas, Schenectady is worse.  Based on population, Metroplex is taking $484 per capita(155k) totaling $75 million, and handing it to businesses.  The $1 billion given to Global Foundries is $121 per capita(8.3 million).  And the per capita income for NYS is about $31k, while Schenectady County is $22k.


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Malta got the money because they were a sound investment.

Schenectady is not.

The taxes are too high.

If Schenectady's taxes were equal to Malta's, Schenectady would also be a desirable business investment area.



Malta got the money because Pataki was Governor and Bruno was State Senate Majority Leader -- and Malta was smack in Bruno's district.  Global Foundries is getting all kinds of property tax breaks -- so your tax argument is baseless.  
Schenectady would have been a better investment -- the state would not have had to spend money building roadways in, putting in water and other infrastructure .... Schenectady would have a GREAT place for Global Foundries.
Bottomline -- Malta is using taxpayer dollars .. federal, state and local to bring a wealthy foreign company in to make even more money for itself ----- and you nayboobs think that is great but you chastise Schenectady for using federal, state and local tax dollars to invest in economic development on a much smaller scale.  You nayboobs are not just ignorant ...  you are bullshitting hypocrites through and through.


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you chastise Schenectady for using federal, state and local tax dollars to invest in economic development on a much smaller scale.  You nayboobs are not just ignorant ...  you are bullshitting hypocrites through and through.


No, metroplex is locally funded through sales tax.  No state and federal money.  And it's not a smaller scale, it's a larger scale per capita.  

Twelve percent of Schenectady County lives below the poverty level, and Metroplex takes a percentage of each purchase they make, and give it to Galesi and other select private businesses.  It's a really clever method to extort money out of poor people, and direct it to wealthy crony political donors.

Metroplex - investing poor people's money into businesses they can't afford to patronize, and that create jobs that pay a working poor wage.


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Businesses move into the city for the tax breaks, nobody in their right mind is going to move to Schenectady with the high taxes, substandard school district and rampant crime, until those running the government come to grips with those facts nothing is going to get any better.
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When government corruption is done correctly........both businesses and taxpayers win.........proof when GE's corrupt union was running Schenectady. There were jobs, taxes were low, crime was low and taxpayers were blindly happy in their little world. Malta is the same way.

When corruption is done incorrectly...........the wealthy business folks win and the taxpayers lose............proof in Schenectady.


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