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So you would rather be unarmed in a mass shooting scenario?  Also your comment about police training is BS, citizens can receive better training then what law enforcement gets and most gun owners have more range time with their guns then police do. I personally shot with cops at the range and I can tell you they're nothing special, some are outright horrible shots.


You don't understand.  What I was posting about is training about 'where and when' to use a gun, not
how accurate they are when shooting.
As I posted... A mall full of people with minimal training with guns might end up killing or wounding
more people than the terrorist that they they were shooting at.


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Silhouettes don't bleed or feel pain, so there was no real incentive to hit the target.  If the silhouette was in some way non compliant, they probably would have laser like focus and would have been world class marksmen.


Again you are talking about accuracy at hitting "silhouettes".  The real test is how accurate you are
when the bullets are coming at you.  Nothing at the 'range' prepares you for that.


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No, I can't imagine a terrorist attack on a mall full of armed people. Terrorists don't attack armed people. That's why they call it "terrorism".
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Terrorists don't attack armed people. That's why they call it "terrorism".


Terrorists don't attack armed people??????

India: Militants Attack Police And Army Bases (8 killed)
Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1146757/india-militants-attack-police-and-army-bases

Attack Kills 16 Border Police in Northwest China     
Two men slammed a dump truck into a group of jogging policemen then threw explosives
into nearby barracks early Monday in far northwest China, killing 16 and wounding at least
16 more, state-run Xinhua News Agency reported.
PBS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/terrorism/july-dec08/chinaattack_08-04.html

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Tehran Times
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You don't understand.  What I was posting about is training about 'where and when' to use a gun, not
how accurate they are when shooting.
As I posted... A mall full of people with minimal training with guns might end up killing or wounding
more people than the terrorist that they they were shooting at.


Why do you assume people have minimal training, and you still ignored my question about would you rather be armed during such an event. As far as where and when to use a gun it isn't rocket science, if there is a active threat of endangering the life of you or others trying to stop that threat is justified. I like how you want people to believe cops get this special training only they know about, I hate to break it to you but they don't.


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Again you are talking about accuracy at hitting "silhouettes".  The real test is how accurate you are
when the bullets are coming at you.  Nothing at the 'range' prepares you for that.


That applies to any type of combat.  Punching a speed bag in a boxing gym is not the same if somebody is punching back.  Nerves are nerves.


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No, I can't imagine a terrorist attack on a mall full of armed people. Terrorists don't attack armed people. That's why they call it "terrorism".


a terrorist attack on a mall full of armed people is an NRA wet dream.


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a terrorist attack on a mall full of armed people is an NRA wet dream.


That's not true, what is true though is that they would like to have the right to carry in case of such an event. Chances of it occurring is very small to almost non-existent but as we seen it does happen. Most people have a extra flashlight or even a generator in case of a power outage, the chances of one is very small but people still prepare just in case. What is the chances of you getting into a serious accident, not much but you still put your seatbelt on everyday even if going a few blocks away am I right.


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what's the definition of a terrorist?

if a people were to rise up against the government because they are oppressed in a way they don't like, are they terrorists?

the colonists of old were terrorists to the throne of england....

using the term terrorist is projecting and painting a very broad picture to allow for all kinds of civil liberty infringements much
like the term of zero tolerance policy...or anti-bullying laws or hate crimes....

the government has become the church....kind of like the church of england after the king couldn't get a
divorce by the roman catholic church...he bought himself a national church that suited himself.

these 'feel good' terms are dangerous....BUT THEY SURE DO BUY A CRAP LOAD OF VOTES AND CREATE A CRAP LOAD OF RED
HERRINGS.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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what's the definition of a terrorist?


Any group that commits violence or threats of violence not approved by the United State political(ruling) class is defined as a terrorist.  Ya see, if the Syrian "rebels" were not advancing the agenda of US interests, but were working against US interests, they would go from freedom fighter to terrorist, just like that.  


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Those police hit with a truck, doing their morning exercises, were exercising while armed? I think not. The other two attacks were military attacks. The scenario of armed citizens doing worse damage in a terrorist mall attack, that scenario being discussed? No, terrorists never have gone after armed citizens with guns, and the fact that our government labeled the people who fought our troops in their own country as terrorists, that was propaganda, because if our country was invaded by a foreign power and we resisted, we sure as hell would not be "terrorists". People just bought into all this BS of a war on "terror", which was an emotion, the last time I looked, because they were too gullible to look at what was really going on, and why we were being targeted.
Remember "The Troubles", in Ireland? Remember how we were taught that in Ireland, catholics and protestants were fighting each other, over something as silly as slight religious differences? How silly, what a crazy thing to fight over! Then when I got older, I realized what the truth of the matter was, which was always there to be seen. Fighting has started up again, BTW, under the watch of our Peace Prize President, but you don't hear much about it.
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Remember "The Troubles", in Ireland? Remember how we were taught that in Ireland, catholics and protestants were fighting each other, over something as silly as slight religious differences? How silly, what a crazy thing to fight over! Then when I got older, I realized what the truth of the matter was, which was always there to be seen. Fighting has started up again, BTW, under the watch of our Peace Prize President, but you don't hear much about it.


LMAO!  Fighting in Ireland is Obama's fault!  

I learned that the "troubles" were about oppression of the Irish by the English.  Lines were
drawn along religious lines but religion had little to do with it.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Remember "The Troubles", in Ireland? Remember how we were taught that in Ireland, catholics and protestants were fighting each other, over something as silly as slight religious differences? How silly, what a crazy thing to fight over! Then when I got older, I realized what the truth of the matter was, which was always there to be seen. Fighting has started up again, BTW, under the watch of our Peace Prize President, but you don't hear much about it.


LMAO!  Fighting in Ireland is Obama's fault!  

I learned that the "troubles" were about oppression of the Irish by the English.  Lines were
drawn along religious lines but religion had little to do with it.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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