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the NRA is a statist organization...no different than AFL-CIO.....and NYSUTI


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I rely on myself for my safety.
  
Note to others living with Henry (especially women)... the presence of a gun in your house
is more dangerous than living in a house without one.


The presence of stairs in a household is more dangerous than living without them.  Your phobia of statistically improbable dangers is hysterical.  More people die from bee stings than mass shootings.


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I guess the Swiss just have a lot more exceptionalism in their society.

They have automatic weapons everywhere.

What they don't have is American homicidal exceptionalism.
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The presence of a man in the house is more dangerous to a woman than living in a house without one, as well. Maybe we need man control, not gun control. Or something like that.
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Quoted from Madam X
The presence of a man in the house is more dangerous to a woman than living in a house without one, as well. Maybe we need man control, not gun control. Or something like that.


California, home of the strongest gun control laws on the books:

Woodland Hills man charged in machete attack on ex-wife and her boyfriend

By City News Service

Posted: 09/17/13, 5:18 PM PDT | Updated: 51 secs ago

VAN NUYS — A Woodland Hills man was charged today with attempted murder, aggravated mayhem and other charges for an alleged machete and knife attack on his ex-wife and her boyfriend, a music industry veteran-turned-radio show host.

Behnam Vasseghi, 57, was ordered to be held on $5.1 million bail while awaiting arraignment Sept. 24 in Van Nuys Superior Court in connection with the alleged weekend attack at Jerry Sharell’s Woodland Hills home.

Sharell and his girlfriend were accosted about 8 a.m. Sunday and held hostage for more than five hours, with the suspect often interrogating Sharell, police said.

“He would ask a question and if he didn’t like the answer, he’d cut the boyfriend on the neck,” Los Angeles police Sgt. Alex Kim said.

Vasseghi allegedly cut Sharell’s throat with a knife and cut off the tip of his estranged wife’s nose before slashing his own wrists.

His ex-wife was eventually able to get away and call police, who initially thought they were responding to a possible burglary, Kim said. Responding officers ordered the suspect to come out and drop the machete, and he eventually complied after slitting his wrists, the sergeant said.

The suspect and Sharell were both taken to Northridge Hospital Medical Center, while the woman was treated at Providence Tarzana Medical Center, Kim said.

Police said she had obtained a restraining order against her ex-husband, who is charged with one count each of attempted murder, first-degree burglary with a person present and violating a restraining order, two counts each of aggravated mayhem, torture, making criminal threats and false imprisonment, and four counts of assault with a deadly weapon involving the machete and a knife.

Sharell, who had recently begun dating the woman after losing his wife to cancer, formerly worked with such acts as the Eagles and the Carpenters and now hosts a weekly radio show on KJazz titled “Sundays with Sinatra.”

He was hired by David Geffen in the 1970s to manage the Asylum Records label, which later became part of Elektra Records, where he worked with Jackson Browne, Harry Chapin, Carly Simon, The Cars, Queen, Motley Crue and Bread, among other acts.

Sharell later became a vice president at Westwood One radio network, and also chaired The Recording Academy’s MusiCares Foundation. He also served as president/CEO of the nonprofit Society of Singers, helping to produce the annual Ella Awards gala that paid tribute to legendary artists.

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Quoted from Box A Rox


I rely on myself for my safety.


I doubt it, you wouldn't be lecturing people on what you think they need for protection, its easy to talk when you live where you do and crime is minimal and almost non existent. Live where I do where you hear shootings at least once per week, live here where police response time is extremely slow and from experience you learned not to rely on them.
  
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Note to others living with Henry (especially women)... the presence of a gun in your house
is more dangerous than living in a house without one.


You are right, give me your address and I will pick up your guns, we need to protect your green eyed goddess from your dangerous guns in your house, you are obviously putting her life in danger

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I doubt it, you wouldn't be lecturing people on what you think they need for protection, its easy to talk when you live where you do and crime is minimal and almost non existent. Live where I do where you hear shootings at least once per week, live here where police response time is extremely slow and from experience you learned not to rely on them.
  
...give me your address and I will pick up your guns, we need to protect your green eyed goddess from your dangerous guns in your house, you are obviously putting her life in danger



Individuals aren't important to the soothing of fear within the collective liberal construct.

Box's highly touted background checks failed miserably in DC.

Perhaps they will address the issue of American Rambo-ism, I mean exceptional-ism,
as the cause not the paperwork or the in-animate tools.




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  More people die from bee stings than mass shootings.


The same old, same old... fudge the numbers to somehow make gun deaths look minor.

The facts:
One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes,
87 people are killed during an average day,
and 609 are killed every week,
over 31,000 killed every year.
(source: CDC)
While, an average of average of more than 40 Americans are killed
each year because of  stings by bees, wasps and hornets.


31,000 by guns...
40 by bee stings.


Cicero is trying very hard to convince us that he's an @ss, and it looks like he's succeeded!  




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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You are right, give me your address and I will pick up your guns, we need to protect your
green eyed goddess from your dangerous guns in your house, you are obviously putting her
life in danger


LMAO!  Henry assumes that the guns in my house all belong to me!!!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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How many of the gun deaths were at the hands of the police?
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How many of the gun deaths were at the hands of the police?


587 in 2012.  Less than .02%



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Fact Tank - Our Lives in Numbers
May 24, 2013
Suicides account for most gun deaths
19,392

Number of Americans who killed themselves with a gun in 2010.

Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. But as gun homicides have declined sharply in recent years, suicides have become a greater share of all firearm deaths: the 61% share in 2010 was the highest on record. That year there were 19,392 suicides by firearm compared to 11,078 homicides by gun (35% of all firearm deaths). The rest were accidents, police shootings and unknown causes.
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The same old, same old... fudge the numbers to somehow make gun deaths look minor.

The facts:
One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes,
87 people are killed during an average day,
and 609 are killed every week,
over 31,000 killed every year.
(source: CDC)
While, an average of average of more than 40 Americans are killed
each year because of  stings by bees, wasps and hornets.


31,000 by guns...
40 by bee stings.


Cicero is trying very hard to convince us that he's an @ss, and it looks like he's succeeded!  




No box, you are comparing apples and oranges again.  Re-read my post, I said deaths by MASS SHOOTINGS, not all gun related deaths.  The gun grabbers are arguing gun control to stop MASS SHOOTING.

So I'll say it again.  Statistically, more people die from bee stings than killed in MASS SHOOTINGS in a given year.  Lets kill all the bees if we really care about people.

Back to the drawing board box.LOL!


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No box, you are comparing apples and oranges again.  Re-read my post, I said deaths by MASS SHOOTINGS, not all gun related deaths.  The gun grabbers are arguing gun control to stop MASS SHOOTING.

So I'll say it again.  Statistically, more people die from bee stings than killed in MASS SHOOTINGS in a given year.  Lets kill all the bees if we really care about people.

Back to the drawing board box.LOL!


No cicero, it's YOU who has to go back to the drawing board, not I.

Look above... there have been 82 MASS SHOOTING DEATHS since Dec 2012... less than a year.
So:
82 Americans died in MASS SHOOTINGS  in the last 9 months
while
40 Americans die each year as a result of bee stings.

YOUR FACTS ARE (as is often the case) W R O N G !


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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