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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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More false propaganda from our local socialist, parroting what his minders tell him. There were 'assault rifles' during and prior to the days of the Founding Fathers.

The Girandoni air rifle fired 22 rnds/min....Was used by the Austrian army in 1780. http://www.beemans.net/Austrian%20airguns.htm

Meriwether Lewis used this 'assault rifle' in the Lewis and Clark expedition of 1803-06..... http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm

The Kalthoff Repeater was invented in the 17th Century. Reload times were 1-2 seconds and held 6 to 7 shots. http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-kalthoff-repeater.html

The Belton Flintlock was invented prior to 1777 and was based off of how a roman candle works (Superposed load). http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Belton%20flintlock


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06.....dern-assault-rifles/

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These Guns Dispel The Notion The Founding Fathers Could Never Have Imagined Modern Assault Rifles

A popular gun control mantra is that the founding fathers could not have envisioned assault rifles when they wrote the Second Amendment. Turns out that idea is bunk, research from The Daily Caller News Foundation.

TheDCNF found “repeater,” multi-shot rifles from even prior to the Revolutionary period. Further, the research shows that founders and leaders from that time period were starkly aware of innovations in small arms manufacturing and technology.

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Following shortly after the Orlando terrorist attack, the Washington Post sounded a familiar clarion call: Founders meant muskets, not semiautomatic rifles.

“Of course, semiautomatic firearms technology didn’t exist in any meaningful sense in the era of the founding fathers. They had something much different in mind when they drafted the Second Amendment,” according to a recent article by The Washington Post. “The typical firearms of the day were muskets and flintlock pistols. They could hold a single round at a time, and a skilled shooter could hope to get off three or possibly four rounds in a minute of firing.”


(Ironically enough, an article positing what Revolutionary-era leaders knew or didn’t know about the future of firearms required a correction.)

An expert in the evolution of small arms flatly disagrees that folks back then “had something much different in mind” when they wrote the Second Amendment.

“[The Founders] lived during the Age of Reason. They celebrated the achievements of the human mind. They had witnessed huge advances in firearms technology — i.e. matchlock giving way to the wheel lock, which, in turn gave way to the flint lock,” William Atwater, a military technology expert and curator at the United States Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland, told TheDCNF. “Each and every one of these developments were huge in their day.”

Atwater concluded, “they would have expected small arms to continue to develop.”

He noted people of that time were constantly on the lookout for the next great thing in firearms. “The idea that firearms technology was static during the 18th/19th Century is bunk,” Atwater explained. “Everyone that used firearms was on the lookout for the next best thing so it could be utilized.”

Getting more specific, Thomas Jefferson famously tapped the famous westward explorers Lewis and Clark to explore with a gun that, according to The Washington Post, didn’t exist.

Enter the Girandoni air rifle. The Girandoni air rifle is a repeating rifle capable of firing 22 shots in under a minute without a reload — and Meriwether Lewis’s air gun was one such firearm. Lewis’s rifle was a .46 caliber, magazine-fed repeating gun capable of shooting 22 shots in under a minute.

Lewis brought his gun to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania where he picked up a 55-foot keeled-boat for his travels down the Ohio River. On his journey, he docked September 8, 1803 at Wheeling, West Virginia for a meeting with Colonel Thomas Rodney, who was on his way to Mississippi to assume position as a federal judge per appointment by Jefferson.

Rodney documented his encounter with Lewis’s air gun, “which fired 22 times at one charge. When in perfect order she fires 22 times in a minute.”It is a curious piece of workmanship not easily described and therefore I omit attempting it.”

An article published by Buckeye Firearms claims Jefferson himself actually gave a couple of the rifles to Lewis and Clark, a fact TheDCNF confirmed in a conversation with Master Gunsmith John G. Zimmerman Thursday.

Another innovative and powerful gun from centuries ago is the Kalthoff repeater. Originally made by an unknown inventor in the 17th Century, the gun got its name from the family who later produced it, the Kalthoffs.

The Kalthoff repeater is a musket with two magazines: one that holds the bullet balls, the other holds gunpowder. The user pulls on the trigger guard, which puts a charge of powder and a bullet ball into the breech of the gun as well as cock it. To fire the next shot, simply pull the lever guard and let the gun do the rest.

The early version of the gun could hold seven bullet balls, later models could hold 12, according to an article published by Firearms History, Technology & Development. There was even a claim that one Kalthoff could hold 30 bullet balls. Whatever the capacity, it is certainly capable of firing more than “three or possibly four rounds in a minute” as The Washington Post article stated.

Then there is the Belton flintlock, which works in a manner similar to a roman candle. Once the fuse is lit, the gun can fire multiple shots in quick succession without need for reload.

In a letter to the Continental Congress in April 1777, inventor Joseph Belton describes the gun:

    May it Please your Honours, I would just informe this Honourable Assembly, that I have discover’d an improvement, in the use of Small Armes, wherein a common small arm, may be maid to discharge eight balls one after another, in eight, five or three seconds of time.

Belton tried to sell his gun to Congress but was ultimately turned down for what Congress viewed as “excessive fees.”

“Congress was interested in the invention, and it was demonstrated before noted scientists and military officers (including well known scientist David Rittenhouse and General Horatio Gates), but was rejected due to Belton’s demand for what Congress considered excessive fees for the use of Belton’s design,” as noted in an article published on danaloeschradio.com.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06.....ifles/#ixzz4DSTnJ4mK





  





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More false propaganda from our local socialist, parroting what his minders tell him. There were 'assault rifles' during and prior to the days of the Founding Fathers.

The Girandoni air rifle fired 22 rnds/min....Was used by the Austrian army in 1780. http://www.beemans.net/Austrian%20airguns.htm

Meriwether Lewis used this 'assault rifle' in the Lewis and Clark expedition of 1803-06..... http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm

The Kalthoff Repeater was invented in the 17th Century. Reload times were 1-2 seconds and held 6 to 7 shots. http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-kalthoff-repeater.html

The Belton Flintlock was invented prior to 1777 and was based off of how a roman candle works (Superposed load). http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Belton%20flintlock


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06.....dern-assault-rifles/


Yadda yadda yadda.
Did these guns exist?
Of course they did.
Now ask Bucky if these guns were IN COMMON USE at the time.
Ummmmmmmmmm Ahhhhhhhhhh   let me see....
OF COURSE THEY WEREN'T... AND I ASSUME THAT BUCKY KNOWS IT.

    The majority opinion, written by conservative bastion Justice Antonin Scalia,
states:
  “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”.
It is “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and
for whatever purpose.”

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller
(an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those
“in common use at the time”.

So Bucky... were the guns you mentioned "IN COMMON USE AT THE TIME???"  
If not, then your entire post is BS.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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And not one gun control bill from congress.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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GunHugger or Terrorist... Not a whole lot of difference!


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GunHugger or Terrorist... Not a whole lot of difference!


You're talking about the 2 cops?  Nevermind, my fault, the cops would have grenades.


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You're talking about the 2 cops?  Nevermind, my fault, the cops would have grenades.

No Cissy... the cops are easily distinguished from the civilians.  The uniform??? or did you
forget?
The GunHuggers... like the ones at the Dallas shooting who were running like Forrest Gump and hiding
behind the police... Yea those GunHuggers who  did not help the situation, but they sure did make
the situation much worse by confusing the actual people who killed this terrorist.

I would love to see an interview of how these wimpy "OPEN CARRY" douchebags $hit themselves when
the actual shooting started.  When these "GOOD GUY"S WITH GUNS" got to play at being a cop...
they ran home to momma and let the real police do the shooting.    
Pathetic... totally pathetic!



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No Cissy... the cops are easily distinguished from the civilians.  The uniform??? or did you
forget?


Sorry, I forgot...if you are heavily armed and have the authority to legally commit homicide while wearing a costume, you are not considered a gun hugger.  Those are good guns.


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Sorry, I forgot...if you are heavily armed and have the authority to legally commit homicide while wearing a costume, you are not considered a gun hugger.  Those are good guns.

Just wondering Cicero...
Would you run TOWARDS the shooter?  
The Police (the ones you hate) did.
Would you run for safety, hide, escape, flee the area?
The police didn't do any of those things.  
They moved in the direction of the danger to protect your sorry @ss.
(Something you know nothing about)


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