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and 45 Republicans are trying to take away the Democratic process
and rule how this country does business abroad. In actuality, 45
Republicans just made America look STUPID that something like this could happen.
My friends in Europe tell me they don't understand how this is allowed.


Hey joey, your friends in Europe should know this has been going on for decades.  Democrats set quite a precedent on Congressional direct involvement in foreign policy to actively undermine sitting presidents.

Now doesn't your ignorance to history make YOU look STUPID.  LOLOLOL

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5 times Democrats undermined Republican presidents with foreign governments

On Monday, 47 Republican senators led by Tom Cotton, R-Ark., released an "open letter" to Iran's leaders noting that any deal the regime signs with President Obama without the approval of Congress could be revoked by a future president or changed by Congress. The White House went into a tizzy trying to portray the move as somehow "unprecedented" — a view that has found a friendly audience with the media.

Vice President Joe Biden claimed the letter "ignores two centuries of precedent and threatens to undermine the ability of any future American president, whether democrat or republican, to negotiate with other nations on behalf of the United States." The New York Daily News featured an editorial blasting the letter on its front page, with photos of the senators and the bold-faced headline "TRAITORS." A more muted NBC roundup called the move "extraordinary — if not unprecedented." In reality, whatever one's view of the letter, to call it "unprecedented" is to ignore history. The reality is that on many occasions, Democrats have reached out to foreign leaders to undermine the foreign policy of a sitting Republican president.
  
Here are just five examples.

1. That time "liberal lion" Ted Kennedy proposed a secret alliance with the Soviet Union to defeat President Ronald Reagan

A 1983 KGB memo uncovered after the fall of the Soviet Union described a meeting between former KGB officials and former Democratic Sen. John Tunney (Sen. Kennedy's confidant) in Moscow. Tunney asked the KGB to convey a message to Yuri Andropov, the Soviet leader, proposing a campaign in which Kennedy would visit Moscow to offer talking points to Andropov and Soviet officials on how to attack Reagan's policies to U.S. audiences. According to the memo, Kennedy, through the intermediary, offered to help facilitate a media tour in a proposed visit by Andropov to the U.S. Kennedy's hope, as conveyed by the letter, was to hurt Reagan politically on foreign policy at a time when the economic recovery was working in his favor.

2. "Dear Comandante"

In 1984, 10 Democratic lawmakers — including the then majority leader and House Intelligence Committee chairman – sent a letter to Nicaraguan Communist leader Daniel Ortega known as the "Dear Comandante" letter. In it, the lawmakers criticized Reagan's policy toward Nicaragua and whitewashed the record of violence by the Sandinista communists.

3. Pelosi visited Syrian ruler Bashar Assad

In 2007, newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the Syrian dictator Bashar Assad. As the Associated Press reported at the time, "The meeting was an attempt to push the Bush administration to open a direct dialogue with Syria, a step that the White House has rejected."

4. Democrats visited Iraq to attack Bush's policy

As Stephen Hayes recounts: "In September 2002, David Bonior, the second-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, flew to Baghdad in an attempt to undermine George W. Bush's case for war in Iraq on a trip paid for by Saddam Hussein's regime. Bonior, accompanied by Reps. Jim McDermott and Mike Thompson, actively propagandized for the Iraqi regime. McDermott, asked whether he found it acceptable to be used by the Iraqi regime, said he hoped the trip would end the suffering of children. 'We don't mind being used,' he said."



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Senator Kerry meeting with Ortega while Reagan Administration negotiating with Nicaragua.

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Said Kerry, “Senator Harkin and I are going to Nicaragua as Vietnam-era veterans who are alarmed that the Reagan administration is repeating the mistakes we made in Vietnam. Our foreign policy should represent the democratic values that have made our country great, not subvert those values by funding terrorism to overthrow governments of other countries."(The funniest part is he's funding terrorists to overthrow the Assad(Syrian) government)


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Once again, the GOP Hungers for WAR, in this case a nuclear war, while the Dems work for PEACE.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Once again, the GOP Hungers for WAR, in this case a nuclear war, while the Dems work for PEACE.


Didn't you say you voted for McCain before?


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Hey joey, your friends in Europe should know this has been going on for decades.  Democrats set quite a precedent on Congressional direct involvement in foreign policy to actively undermine sitting presidents.

Now doesn't your ignorance to history make YOU look STUPID.  LOLOLOL




Nope not at all DUMBASS....
I put things in perspective and don't reach for stories that are not the same as this action!
Apparently my friends in Europe are a lot more intelligent and informed than you lowlife!
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Germanys' foreign minister said Thursday in Washington that a letter by signed by 47 GOP senators warning that the next U.S. president could scrap any nuclear deal with Tehran was "not very helpful" as negotiations with Iran enter a "delicate phase."

The comments by Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier followed remarks in Tehran Thursday by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, that the letter is a sign of "disintegration" in Washington.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....lear-talks/70197140/


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Nope not at all DUMBASS....
I put things in perspective and don't reach for stories that are not the same as this action!
Apparently my friends in Europe are a lot more intelligent and informed than you lowlife!


Yup, not the same.  They were democrats that did it.  Big difference.


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Didn't you say you voted for McCain before?


No, I never voted for McCain, but I did support his NY run  against G WORST Bush.  
But, alas, the NY GOP killed McCain's chances.

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Announcing his run for the Republican Party nomination in September 1999, McCain was the
main challenger to Texas Governor George W. Bush, who had the political and financial support
of most of the party establishment. McCain staged an upset win in the February 2000 New
Hampshire primary, capitalizing on a message of political reform and "straight talk" that
appealed to moderate Republican and independent voters and to the press.

McCain's appeal was his strong stance on 'campaign finance reform', with a plan to take the elections
out of the hands of the rich.  (Which is probably why he lost support from GOP Power Brokers)

IMO, the Bush Optional Oil War in Iraq, and possibly the Bush Economic Meltdown might have been
avoided if McCain were elected instead of Bushy.

In the end, I voted for AL Gore, as did the Majority of Americans.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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“The U.S. Senate Historian’s Office has so far been unable to find
another example in the chamber’s history where one political party openly
tried to deal with a foreign power against a presidential policy, as
Republicans have attempted in their open letter to Iran this week.”

(McClatchy)

President Obama On The 47 GOP Traitors:
‘I Am Embarrassed For Them’




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Yup, not the same.  They were democrats that did it.  Big difference.

Hey Sissy, how does it feel to even have the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei be smarter than you when it
comes to the US's international politics?  Yup...your position as lowlife is secure!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Hey Sissy, how does it feel to even have the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei be smarter than you when it
comes to the US's international politics?  Yup...your position as lowlife is secure!


It's ok JOEY.  I understand you lashing out when given historical evidence showing your ignorance and blatant hypocrisy.  It's a natural reaction for people like you that were ignorant to the fact DEMOCRAT senators met with and negotiated with foreign leaders while Republican presidents were in negotiations.  Just let it sink into that thick skull of yours, you will eventually come to the realization that this has been going on for decades.


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Once again, the GOP Hungers for WAR, in this case a nuclear war, while the Dems work for PEACE.


HAHAHAHAHAHA.....you still don't believe it's the 'good cop vs bad cop' do you......WOW!

you're an AD man's dream.....you're a bumper sticker


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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HAHAHAHAHAHA.....you still don't believe it's the 'good cop vs bad cop' do you......WOW!

you're an AD man's dream.....you're a bumper sticker


LOL


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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It's ok JOEY.  I understand you lashing out when given historical evidence showing your ignorance and blatant hypocrisy.  It's a natural reaction for people like you that were ignorant to the fact DEMOCRAT senators met with and negotiated with foreign leaders while Republican presidents were in negotiations.  Just let it sink into that thick skull of yours, you will eventually come to the realization that this has been going on for decades.

BWAHAHAHAHA....keep it going SissyDUM-DUM. Really didn't expect you to be able to grasp it.
That's you and why you are the lowlife you are. One day life will smack you in the face and a light might go on
but I seriously doubt it........


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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European allies join criticism of GOP’s Iran letter
(Washington Post)

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European allies are joining the Obama administration in criticizing Republican congressional interjection
into nuclear negotiations with Iran, saying that an open letter from Republican senators to Iranian leaders
has been counterproductive and comes at a particularly sensitive time in the talks.

  
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....LKf?ocid=mailsignout


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A former U.S. Army Major General has become the latest critic of GOP Senator Tom Cotton’s Iran letter
stunt, accusing him of mutiny and the illegal undermining of American foreign policy.

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In an interview with the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart, retired Major General and current senior
adviser to VoteVets.org Paul D. Eaton chose not to describe Cotton and his 46 Republican co-conspirators
as traitors, instead calling them “mutinous” government officials who blatantly committed
an illegal and dangerous act that weakens our standing in the world all because they oppose
President Obama as the Commander-in-Chief.

These GOP douchebags just don't get it do they.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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