Don't worry Henry... your militia buddies will offer you an opportunity to 'off' a cop before too long... just be patient.
I've bled for my country and I've killed for my country. Neither were pleasant.
So how about it Henry? Do you think you'll ever get a chance to fulfill your dream of killing a cop... or even (be still my throbbing heart) an FBI Agent??? You know you want to... you have the justification, you just need the opportunity.
Like I said you are the only one here with blood on their hands, killed for your country, yeah keep lying to yourself if that lets you sleep at night, deep down you know damn well it had crap to do with our country. Me, I can sleep knowing I never took another mans life and if the day comes I can guarantee it would only be in self defense, not cold blooded murder because I was ordered to do so. The best part is how you now try to act is if your hands are clean, but we know you would love nothing more then for others to sink to the level of you and your actions. It must drive you nuts knowing that I have the self control not to be brainwashed like you into doing unspeakable acts, and you call me the extremist, what a joke. I bet you turned Atheist after the war huh, hoping there really isn't someone to judge you in the afterlife, I would bet money that had something to do with it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Like I said you are the only one here with blood on their hands, killed for your country, yeah keep lying to yourself if that lets you sleep at night, deep down you know damn well it had crap to do with our country. Me, I can sleep knowing I never took another mans life and if the day comes I can guarantee it would only be in self defense, not cold blooded murder because I was ordered to do so. The best part is how you now try to act is if your hands are clean, but we know you would love nothing more then for others to sink to the level of you and your actions. It must drive you nuts knowing that I have the self control not to be brainwashed like you into doing unspeakable acts, and you call me the extremist, what a joke. I bet you turned Atheist after the war huh, hoping there really isn't someone to judge you in the afterlife, I would bet money that had something to do with it.
Wow! Henry really does have some issues.
As for sleep... I do have to admit... some nights I have trouble sleeping. There is a skunk in our neighborhood who decides to visit our backyard at 2am. Some nights it's just a mild odor, but other nights the stench is like a rabid republican in heat. Really bad!
You and Cicero seem to share a common view of what it means to be a US veteran. It seems you take your opinion from some bad war movie instead of actual people. Your view of vets is sad... you really don't get it and I doubt you ever will. Cic's view stems from Daddy Issues, but I don't know where your misguided ideas come from... Hopefully some counseling might help.
To finish up, my atheist views are evolving. I'm probably more of an agnostic than an atheist, but as I posted in another thread... Most US atheists were once Christians. I think my first real look into the God Thing started with Carl Sagan and his view of the universe. If there is a god, or not, makes little difference to me but I really doubt it. There is nothing in the Christian doctrine that would keep me from going to the Christian heaven... but I'll be totally surprised if it does exist.
Sorry to disappoint you that I don't live up to your view of what I "should" believe, but your view doesn't fit me. (NOTE: I gutted a nice brook trout a while back... got blood on my hands. Does that count?)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm not the one who gunned down men because of an order, you can try to justify your actions but it is not me you need to repent to. You went in knowing full well what to expect, you knew the actions you might have to take and that included killing, tell me again who has issues.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Cic's view stems from Daddy Issues, but I don't know where your misguided ideas come from... Hopefully some counseling might help.
Nah, no daddy issues. Happy to say, he personally has no blood on his hands. Sure, he entered an organization against his will, whose sole purpose is killing, but luckily he wasn't deployed to Nam and ordered to kill. He was in Cuba when one of the U.S. defective soldiers shot a Cuban soldier from his guard post in Gitmo, causing an international incident. He does have an injury from boot camp that progressed into a debilitating injury as he aged. He continues to contact the VA for assistance and compensation for the injury, they told him he's eligible YEARS AGO, but he continues to get lip service and told to fill out more and more papers, and that they are being reviewed, and whatever other line of BS they tell him. I don't have the heart to tell him that THEY DON'T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT HIM - THEY NEVER DID.
I think the senseless slaughter of millions of people over the past 60 years in wars against nations that were no threat to national security is where my well guided ideas come from. And the 22 defective patriots that kill themselves daily after realizing they participated in the most recent mass slaughter. And the treatment of another defective patriot Bradley Manning that was jailed and tortured for 3 years awaiting his trial because the military brainwashing didn't take root and he actually did what he could to stop the senseless mass killings.
I'm pretty comfortable about why I detest the modern military. It's not daddy issue...It's body bags and mass graves.
I'm not the one who gunned down men because of an order, you can try to justify your actions but it is not me you need to repent to. You went in knowing full well what to expect, you knew the actions you might have to take and that included killing, tell me again who has issues.
Apparently YOU DO!
I'm not the one portraying "blood on your hands," you are. I sleep well at night... I have no issues with (your word) repentance... those are your views not mine.
Again, I'm sorry if my life doesn't fulfill your view of what it should be, but those are YOUR VIEWS, not mine. I'm not the one stockpiling weapons and supplies for the upcoming (race) war with your own govt... that's your thing. I don't live in fear of a home invasion as you seem to be. As I posted above... I sleep well at night.
If my views disappoint you that isn't my problem... it's yours.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm not the one portraying "blood on your hands," you are. I sleep well at night... I have no issues with (your word) repentance... those are your views not mine.
Again, I'm sorry if my life doesn't fulfill your view of what it should be, but those are YOUR VIEWS, not mine. I'm not the one stockpiling weapons and supplies for the upcoming (race) war with your own govt... that's your thing. I don't live in fear of a home invasion as you seem to be. As I posted above... I sleep well at night.
If my views disappoint you that isn't my problem... it's yours.
Laughter is a good way to hide true feelings and this is what you are trying to do right now, although I know what is really going on in that head of yours, when you go to lay down tonight you will be thinking of my post and how correct I was. As much as you want your past gone it is now forever seared in your memories, as you read this your victims faces are flashing through your head, they will probably haunt you till the day you die. Thankfully I don't have to live that way, unlike you I am my own person, I didn't need orders to make it to where I am.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I'm not the one portraying "blood on your hands," you are. I sleep well at night... I have no issues with (your word) repentance... those are your views not mine.
Again, I'm sorry if my life doesn't fulfill your view of what it should be, but those are YOUR VIEWS, not mine. I'm not the one stockpiling weapons and supplies for the upcoming (race) war with your own govt... that's your thing. I don't live in fear of a home invasion as you seem to be. As I posted above... I sleep well at night.
If my views disappoint you that isn't my problem... it's yours.
Sociopaths have no empathy-no guilt. They can be ordered to kill tomorrow and sleep like a baby that same night.
Laughter is a good way to hide true feelings and this is what you are trying to do right now, although I know what is really going on in that head of yours, when you go to lay down tonight you will be thinking of my post and how correct I was. As much as you want your past gone it is now forever seared in your memories, as you read this your victims faces are flashing through your head, they will probably haunt you till the day you die. Thankfully I don't have to live that way, unlike you I am my own person, I didn't need orders to make it to where I am.
Henry is trying... he's trying so hard to form me into his image of what he thinks I should be. I should be the classic vietnam vet... drug addicted or alcoholic... (that's the way it is in the movies) Sorry Henry... try as you do you miss the mark completely.
No PTSD, no nightmares, no drugs, no suicide, no unemployment, no night sweats (except when the power went out and we had no AC), no sleeping with my pistol under my pillow... no wait... Henry sleeps with his pistol under his pillow... and his AR15 under the bed with 200 rounds of ammo a knife a machete and... I digress.
No booze, don't even smoke ciggs. I do enjoy my life... skiing, CC skiing snow machine, snowshoes and occasionally skating (but I'm not very good at it)... in winter. Hiking, kayak, jet ski, fishing, gardening in the summer. Never been to a Vet Reunion, not that I'm against it. Never had psycho treatment. Haven't been hospitalized since I left the Marines except for one very large kidney stone.
See Henry... I'm pretty much a care free guy enjoying my retirement... Not YOUR troubled Viet Vet.
And one more thing in response to your post: When I "lay down tonight you will be thinking of my post" Sorry Henry... I'll be thinking of a gorgeous green eyed goddess next to me... NOT YOU!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No PTSD, no nightmares, no drugs, no suicide, no unemployment, no night sweats
...and you certainly don't give a sh!t about the vets with a conscience that you acknowledge DO deal with these horrific psychological effects of war. And those lives that were senselessly destroyed, and the children, mothers, and wives that have to watch their loved ones deteriorate into psychoses, it's alllll worth it. HOO-RAH!
You gotta break a few eggs when making an omelet.
It's like military Darwinism to you, only the strong(psychopaths) survive.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Some don't want to talk about the issue that was brought up, to them speaking out against authority is treason, that is why the topic was blown off topic with a stupid accusation on page 1. Cicero offered a solution, one that I agree with but chances are we will never see that happen, some men need others to tell them how to live, others like to be the ones who tell people how to live, both of them are dangerous to those who need neither to live.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Some don't want to talk about the issue that was brought up, to them speaking out against authority is treason, that is why the topic was blown off topic with a stupid accusation on page 1. Cicero offered a solution, one that I agree with but chances are we will never see that happen, some men need others to tell them how to live, others like to be the ones who tell people how to live, both of them are dangerous to those who need neither to live.
Like a dog with a bone... he just can't let go.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
some men need others to tell them how to live, others like to be the ones who tell people how to live, both of them are dangerous to those who need neither to live.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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