Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Police Crackdown at Liberty Bell Independence Hall
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    United States Government  ›  Police Crackdown at Liberty Bell Independence Hall Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 61 Guests

Police Crackdown at Liberty Bell Independence Hall  This thread currently has 1,194 views. |
2 Pages « 1 2 Recommend Thread
rpforpres
June 18, 2013, 2:11pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
3,891
Reputation
89.47%
Reputation Score
+17 / -2
Time Online
113 days 4 hours 29 minutes
Box we are talking pamphlets here, what someone going to do, make a paper drone and give paper cuts , jeez.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 15 - 26
Box A Rox
June 18, 2013, 2:19pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Quoted from rpforpres
Box we are talking pamphlets here, what someone going to do, make a paper drone and give paper cuts , jeez.


From the Park site:
~  When is the park open?
The major park sites, including Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell Center are open from
9 am - 5 pm. Hours may be extended in the summer months.
(So there are rules... you can't be there after 5pm... a reasonable restriction don't you think... Or
do you think that it's YOUR PARK and you can do what you want, when you want there?)


~  Are pets allowed in the park? Pets are not permitted in any park buildings. Pets are permitted
on park grounds providing they are leashed.
(What??? This is an outrage!  I DEMAND MY DOG CAN CRAP ON THE LAWN WITH OUT A LEASH)

And the question that seems to be pertinent to this situation:
~  Do I need to have a permit to take wedding photography in the park? Answer: Yes, a special
use permit is required for wedding photography.
See our Special Use Permit page for more details. There are several
different permits, including special events, public assemblies and filming
permits.


If I can find this information on line in about 30 seconds... you'd think the indignant anti govt crazies
could find this information too.  But of course, they weren't there to hand out flyers... they were there
to create some anti govt drama for u tube.

http://www.nps.gov/inde/faqs.htm


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 16 - 26
rpforpres
June 18, 2013, 2:52pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
3,891
Reputation
89.47%
Reputation Score
+17 / -2
Time Online
113 days 4 hours 29 minutes
Quoted Text
And the question that seems to be pertinent to this situation:
~  Do I need to have a permit to take wedding photography in the park? Answer: Yes, a special
use permit is required for wedding photography.

Didn't see no bride or groom, what am I missing?



http://www.democrats.com/right-to-protest

Box figured you'd like this link lol.

Here ya go

Q. Do I need a permit before I engage in free speech activity?

A. Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. Generally, these events are: 1) a march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk and other events that require blocking traffic or street closures; 2) a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or 3) a rally at certain designated parks or plazas, such as federal property managed by the General Services Administration. Many permit procedures require that the application be filed several weeks in advance of the event. However, the First Amendment prohibits such an advance notice requirement from being used to prevent rallies or demonstrations that are rapid responses to unforeseeable and recent events. Also, many permit ordinances give a lot of discretion to the police or city officials to impose conditions on the event, such as the route of a march or the sound levels of amplification equipment. Such restrictions may violate the First Amendment if they are unnecessary for traffic control or public safety, or if they interfere significantly with effective communication with the intended audience. A permit cannot be denied because the event is controversial or will express unpopular views

No rally just a couple of people handing out flyers.



SPECIFIC PROBLEMS

Q. If organizers have not obtained a permit, where can a march take place?

A. If marchers stay on the sidewalks and obey traffic and pedestrian signals, their activity is constitutionally protected even without a permit. Marchers may be required to allow enough space on the sidewalk for normal pedestrian traffic and may not maliciously obstruct or detain passers-by.

Q. May I distribute leaflets and other literature on public sidewalks?

A. Yes. Pedestrians on public sidewalks may be approached with leaflets, newspapers, petitions and solicitations for donations. Tables may also be set up on sidewalks for these purposes if sufficient room is left for pedestrians to pass. These types of free speech activities are legal as long as entrances to buildings are not blocked and passers-by are not physically and maliciously detained. No permits should be required.

Q. Do I have a right to picket on public sidewalks?

A. Yes, and this is also an activity for which a permit is not required. However, picketing must be done in an orderly, non-disruptive fashion so that pedestrians can pass by and entrances to buildings are not blocked. Contrary to the belief of some law enforcement officials, pickets are not required to keep moving but may remain in one place as long as they leave room on the sidewalk for others to pass.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 17 - 26
CICERO
June 18, 2013, 3:18pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox


See our Special Use Permit page for more details. There are several
different permits, including special events, public assemblies and filming
permits.
http://www.nps.gov/inde/faqs.htm


From said Special Use Permit page.
Quoted Text
First Amendment activities such as public assemblies, meetings, gatherings, demonstrations, parades and other public expressions of views and opinions are managed and regulated under 36 CFR ยง 2.51, DO/RM-53 and the Independence National Historical Park Superintendent's Compendium. Activities associated with the exercise of these rights will be reasonably regulated to protect legitimate government interests. Therefore, the Superintendent may regulate such aspects of First Amendment activities as the time, place and manner where they are conducted in order to protect park resources. When the requested use is a right involving access to park land for the exercise of First Amendment rights including freedom of assembly, speech, religion and press, there will be no requirement for fees, cost recovery, bonding or insurance.

No permit shall be issued for a period in excess of 14 consecutive days, provided that permits may be extended for like periods, upon a new application, unless another applicant has requested use of the same location and multiple occupancy of that location is not reasonably possible.

Demonstrations involving 25 persons or fewer may be held without a permit provided that the other conditions required for the issuance of a permit are met and provided further that the group is not merely an extension of another group already availing itself of the 25-person maximum under this provision or will not unreasonably interfere with other demonstrations or special events. Individuals and small groups who take advantage of the permit exception may make use of hand-carried signs, but not stages, platforms, or structures.


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 18 - 26
Box A Rox
June 18, 2013, 3:29pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Had the evil park police ignored this bunch... their mission would have failed miserably.  What good is govt
oppression if you can't get the govt to oppress you???



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 19 - 26
rpforpres
June 18, 2013, 3:51pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
3,891
Reputation
89.47%
Reputation Score
+17 / -2
Time Online
113 days 4 hours 29 minutes
Quoted Text
Had the evil park police ignored this bunch... their mission would have failed miserably.  What good is govt
oppression if you can't get the govt to oppress you???


So you're saying the police did them a favor lol HAHAHA      

Oh and did you and your lady watch True Blood Sunday?
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 20 - 26
CICERO
June 18, 2013, 4:30pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox
Had the evil park police ignored this bunch... their mission would have failed miserably.  What good is govt
oppression if you can't get the govt to oppress you???



If they ignored the bunch(all 2 of them) it appears the would have been obeying their own policies.


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 21 - 26
Box A Rox
June 18, 2013, 6:50pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Quoted from rpforpres


So you're saying the police did them a favor lol HAHAHA      

Oh and did you and your lady watch True Blood Sunday?


The Green Eyed Goddess is a Vamp Porn fan... It's not my thing.  I just sit in the kitchen suckin down
bottle after bottle of V.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 22 - 26
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
June 18, 2013, 7:29pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Apparently in the eyes of the Obama-Pelosipalosers who run the Federal Government, unwashed pot-smoking left-wing nut demonstrators have more rights than conservative demonstrators.  

BTW -- I still think David Soares should be prosecuted for failing to do his sworn duty to uphold the law and prosecute that hippie trash that illegal occupied and vandalized that park in Albany.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 23 - 26
Box A Rox
June 18, 2013, 7:33pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Apparently in the eyes of the Obama-Pelosipalosers who run the Federal Government, unwashed pot-smoking left-wing nut demonstrators have more rights than conservative demonstrators.  

BTW -- I still think David Soares should be prosecuted for failing to do his sworn duty to uphold the law and prosecute that hippie trash that illegal occupied and vandalized that park in Albany.


Hippy trash??? L4Life... I think DVOR is referring to you.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 24 - 26
Libertarian4life
June 18, 2013, 9:13pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
7,356
Reputation
50.00%
Reputation Score
+12 / -12
Time Online
119 days 21 hours 10 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox


Hippy trash??? L4Life... I think DVOR is referring to you.


Nice try, baby killer.

Logged
Private Message Reply: 25 - 26
senders
June 19, 2013, 3:40am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox
This is really funny!  Where would they be if everyone just ignored them!  
They'd have no justification for all their false outrage!  

I wonder if the guy behind the camera was Cicero... Sounds like him!  

The purpose of this little drama wasn't to pass out flyers... the purpose was to create a situation where
they could become victims.  They succeeded.



just like occupy wallstreet


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 26 - 26
2 Pages « 1 2 Recommend Thread
|

Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    United States Government  ›  Police Crackdown at Liberty Bell Independence Hall

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread