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Read between the lines. watch the mainstream media twist the rhetoric to sell 'safety' to the masses. If they don't they
will have lost more access to the 'good stories'. this is a story laced with rhetoric of arsenic, psychologically damaging to the
nation.

they must choose....will they?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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They already did.
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What more did you expect from the CORPORATE LAME STREAM MEDIA! Both the left and right are trying to scrap together some kind of credibility! It's too funny to watch them squirm!!!

Ya think the LAME STREAM MEDIA would have learned when the government 'spied' on the AP!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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I was having a conversation with some 60-something folks -- former flower children .. Obama apologists ... left-wing nut types -- and it is interesting that while they think Daniel Ellsberg was great hero for leaking the Pentagon Papers .. they think that Snowden is a traitor and a criminal.   When I pressed them for why -- well first they gave a lot of bull -- but eventually they pretty much admitted Ellsberg was a hero  because Ellsberg was a liberal opponent of the Vietnam War and  Ellsberg's actions hurt a conservative Republican, Richard Nixon.  Since Snowden's action hurt a liberal president -- apparently in their minds that is unforgivable.

For the record, I don't believe that such sweeping eavesdropping on Americans is appropriate nor is it warranted.  On the other hand, I am skeptical about the motives of ANYONE who leaks classified information .. both Ellsberg (and don't forget -- members of Ted Kennedy's staff were involved in the incident) and Snowden were given a position of trust that enabled them to have access to that classified information.  So should they be subject to criminal prosecution ????  I am not 100% convinced that they should not face some penalty for violating a public trust no matter how noble they believed their cause(s) to be.

Personally, I believe Ellsberg was a petty criminal -- part of the Kennedy family's dirty tricks campaign against Nixon and others on the Kennedy's enemy list.  


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For the record, I don't believe that such sweeping eavesdropping on Americans is appropriate nor is it warranted.  On the other hand, I am skeptical about the motives of ANYONE who leaks classified information .. both Ellsberg (and don't forget -- members of Ted Kennedy's staff were involved in the incident) and Snowden were given a position of trust that enabled them to have access to that classified information.  So should they be subject to criminal prosecution ????  I am not 100% convinced that they should not face some penalty for violating a public trust no matter how noble they believed their cause(s) to be.


It depends on whether you think his oath to protect classified information trumps his oath to the constitution.  

If a police officers was ordered to search and seize the property of all Americans without a warrant, and without the knowledge of the governing legislators except for a select few that were not allowed to disclose it publicly. I would hope a cop would know it was wrong and make it public.

This eavesdropping law wasn't being prosecuted constitutionally.  


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It depends on whether you think his oath to protect classified information trumps his oath to the constitution.  

If a police officers was ordered to search and seize the property of all Americans without a warrant, and without the knowledge of the governing legislators except for a select few that were not allowed to disclose it publicly. I would hope a cop would know it was wrong and make it public.

This eavesdropping law wasn't being prosecuted constitutionally.  


I think it would depend on IF it truly were a matter of national security, and I don't believe that this blanket eavesdropping was to protect our national security.  It was a "fishing expedition" pure and simple as well as an abuse of power.

Hypothetically - if this were a limited operation to protect against an imminent national security threat .. one could almost say that the data collection was a legitimate to protect our national security.  But we know that it was not a limited operation, and in light of Obama's other abuse of power by directing the IRS to go after his political opposition than it looks to me like Obama was once again trampling on the Constitution in an outrageous attempt to hold and gain more political power.

Ellsberg was definitely a criminal and a traitor, and so were the members of Ted Kennedy's staff that provided him with the classified documents.  Ted Kennedy was NOT the Commander-in-Chief so he obviously could not claim use the national security card to justify his actions.


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they are only as hippy-liberal based upon their fears....which changes as age does.....the 'borders' rules and regulations they approve
all depend upon how 'safe' they FEEL.....how cared for they FEEL....how rich they FEEL....how they FEEL....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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