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Poland and those other countries that Germany invaded posed no threat to Germany, hadn't been sponsoring terrorists against Germany nor otherwise attempting to inflict injury on Germany and her interests nor were they abusing and killing their own people (like Saddam Hussein was) nor were they violating international law.

So Hitler did NOT have the right to enter those countries.


Sure he had the right(based on U.S. justification of Wars)...Free City of Danzig.  Hitler wanted to Liberate Free City of Danzig that was 95% German and was under Poland rule after the Treaty of Versailles.  He was a LIBERATOR(Sound Familiar?)


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Poland and those other countries that Germany invaded posed no threat to Germany, hadn't been sponsoring terrorists against Germany nor otherwise attempting to inflict injury on Germany and her interests nor were they abusing and killing their own people (like Saddam Hussein was) nor were they violating international law.

So Hitler did NOT have the right to enter those countries.


Obviously Hitler had his own justification and told his people something to justify the invasions.

Perhaps they were a threat because they had WMD's, Or maybe because they held a Jewish
population which was their already targeted enemy.

The point is, self justification for killing is improper.

Hitler's actions against Poland could hardly be seen as defending them.

The invasion of Iraq caused a thousand times more death and destruction than anything
that Sadaam ever did. Plus we built Sadaam by supporting him against Iran. Then we
abandoned Iraq because it cost too much. They are in much worse shape than before
we destroyed their country. Dozens are killed each week in bomb attacks in the capital.
We just walked away and left the war going on against out puppets regime that was
installed.

We built Noriega, then invaded his country and took him prisoner.

We built Karzai and will someday be looking to topple him.


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Quoted from CICERO


Sure he had the right(based on U.S. justification of Wars)...Free City of Danzig.  Hitler wanted to Liberate Free City of Danzig that was 95% German and was under Poland rule after the Treaty of Versailles.  He was a LIBERATOR(Sound Familiar?)


Obviously he was spreading freedom and democracy.

His troops were honored heroes at home.


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Cicero's Vietnam Invasion:
Welcome of US Marines landing in Danang. (Cicero's Invasion)


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And how we thanked them



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Since My-lai was bound to pop up, I found this to be an interesting read
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/mylai.htm


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So Cissy... Got any pics of the Vietnam INVASION you're always posting about???


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So Cissy... Got any pics of the Vietnam INVASION you're always posting about???


Yes, don't have the pics right now since I'm posting from my phone.  But I'm sure you are familiar with th US based on Vietnamese soil.  The now UNIFIED Vietnam.  I understand that you believe sending troops into a foreign nation to assist one side in a civil war, but the fact remains we were foreign invaders preventing the self determination of a people.


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in·va·sion  
noun
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.
2. entrance as if to take possession or overrun: the annual invasion of the resort by tourists.
3. infringement by intrusion.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Quoted from Box A Rox
in·va·sion  
noun
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.
2. entrance as if to take possession or overrun: the annual invasion of the resort by tourists.
3. infringement by intrusion.


Who was shooting as US soldiers if there wasn't an enemy?  If that the Vietnam cultural greeting?  

Box, Vietnam is unified.  The US invading forces were repelled.  

Hmmmm...was the Normandy an invasion or were we just supporting the French?

Was operation rolling thunder an invasion?


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Who was shooting as US soldiers if there wasn't an enemy?  If that the Vietnam cultural greeting?  
Box, Vietnam is unified.  The US invading forces were repelled.  
Hmmmm...was the Normandy an invasion or were we just supporting the French?

June 6, 1945, D Day.
Normandy was an INVASION.  US and Brits hit the beaches of Normandy and forced their way into the
country.  German troops did everything in their power to repel the invasion,  but Allied forces prevailed.

What was the date of your alleged INVASION Cicero???
Were US troops were already in South Vietnam when Cicero's "Invasion" took place.  US forces had
been assisting the South since the late 40's early 50's and had been a constant presence there.  
Kennedy sent US Military Advisors to the country... was that the INVASION?
When the first US Marines walked ashore at Danang to guard the South Vietnamese airports...
Was that the INVASION?
What forces opposed your INVASION???
What units took part in the invasion???
How many casualties on both sides in your INVASION???
How long did the INVASION last???


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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What was operation rolling thunder?


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Was operation rolling thunder an invasion?


Operation Rolling Thunder was the title of  US Navy, and Republic of Vietnam Air Force (VNAF)
aerial bombardment campaign conducted against the North Vietnam from 2 March 1965 until
November 2, 1968, during the Vietnam War.

No ground troops were involved... no land was taken or occupied... no Invasion occurred of
North Vietnam.  South Vietnam and US planes attacked military targets to cut supplies aiding
the VietCong and N Viets fighting in the South.

Really Cicero... I can't keep providing these free history lessons.  Please find the facts online and
stop relying on me for your education.
Didn't they teach this stuff when you were in school??? Oh Yea.  You are against 'compulsory
education' so you probably never opened the book.


Such a waste.




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Who was shooting as US soldiers if there wasn't an enemy?  If that the Vietnam cultural greeting?  


If you are referring to the US Marines landing in DaNang... The only people doing any kind of shooting
were the press shooting lots of film of the event, and the locals shooting pics of the welcome of US
Marines.  No shots were fired.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Since My-lai was bound to pop up, I found this to be an interesting read
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/mylai.htm


On April 1, 1971, only a day after Calley was sentenced to life imprisonment, U.S. President
Richard Nixon ordered him transferred from Leavenworth prison to house arrest at Fort
Benning
, pending appeal. This leniency was protested by Melvin Laird, the Secretary of
Defense. The prosecutor, Aubrey Daniel wrote, "The greatest tragedy of all will be if
political expedience dictates the compromise of such a fundamental moral principle as the
inherent unlawfulness of the murder of innocent persons."[14] On August 20, 1971, the
convening authority — the Commanding General of Fort Benning — reduced Calley's
sentence to 20 years. The Army Court of Military Review affirmed both the conviction
and sentence (46 C.M.R. 1131 (1973)). The Secretary of the Army reviewed the sentence
and findings and approved both, but in a separate clemency action commuted confinement
to ten years
. On May 3, 1974, President Nixon notified the Secretary that he had reviewed
the case and determined he would take no further action in the matter.

Ultimately, Calley served only three and a half years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort
Benning. He petitioned the federal district court for habeas corpus on February 11, 1974,
which was granted on September 25, 1974, along with his immediate release, by federal
judge J. Robert Elliott.

There is real justice. 3 and a half years for war crimes and willful murder of men women
and children.


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US forces had
been assisting the South since the late 40's early 50's and had been a constant presence there.  



Destabilization and interfering with self determination isn't aiding.


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