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A few sample horror stories
The San Francisco Bay Area is a liberal strong-hold. But the San Francisco Chronicle came out recently with the headline "Health Insurance Shoppers Suffer Sticker Shock."

One example they cited was SF Bay Area resident 47-year-old Shelley Ross, self employed, who was looking forward to getting a better deal through Obamacare. After registering, she lamented that "every plan is going to cost more than what I pay now, and what I pay now is ridiculous."

Another San Francisco resident, 63-year-old John Lonergan lost his reasonably priced Kaiser Permanente plan, because it can't comply to Obamacare mandates. In order to maintain the same level of coverage with Obamacare that he had with Kaiser, his annual premium cost will increase by over $3,600.

In nearby San Jose, California, the San Jose Mercury News reported, "Like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills."

This paper featured Cindy Vinson's and Tom Waschura's sticker shock. Both are Obama supporters. Vinson's annual premium bill went up $1,800, and Waschura's annual premium spiked incredibly to $10,000 over what he was accustomed to paying.

Cindy Vinson explained that she's in favor of everyone having coverage, but "[she] didn't expect to be the one paying for it personally." Waschura told the Mercury News, "I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this."


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042460_liberals_Obamacare_free_health_care.html##ixzz2hhBmmWUc
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"[she] didn't expect to be the one paying for it personally."

And that seems to be the case with most who supported it, they thought it would be free and it wouldn't cost them a dime.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Sixth Circuit Court Rules In Favor Of Contraception Mandate,
Says Corporations Are NOT People



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On Sept. 17th, all nine judges on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the
Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) birth control mandate. The ACA requires corporations to cover
birth control in the health plans of their female employees. The Sixth Circuit Court bucked
against an earlier ruling by the 10th Circuit court. But the court also took a shot at the
Supreme Court’s decision in Citizen’s United, which ruled that corporations are people
with the same rights as real people.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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On Sept. 17th, all nine judges on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the
Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) birth control mandate. The ACA requires corporations to cover
birth control in the health plans of their female employees. The Sixth Circuit Court bucked
against an earlier ruling by the 10th Circuit court. But the court also took a shot at the
Supreme Court’s decision in Citizen’s United, which ruled that corporations are people
with the same rights as real people.


GOOD!!!!!!!!!
idiots....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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after working for 20 years and earning the insurance discount that I have, it's part of my package/rate, that my employer gives,
I'm getting fu(ked...it's considered a cadillac insurance....there is an excise tax that will be imposed...who do you suppose
that cost is going to go to?.....

I suppose I could lobby and demand that it come from the boomers retirements....




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are
Avik Roy, Contributor
  
     


The Healthcare.gov website requires that individuals looking for coverage enter personal information before comparing plans. IT experts believe that this requirement is causing the website to crash.

A growing consensus of IT experts, outside and inside the government, have figured out a principal reason why the website for Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchange is crashing. Healthcare.gov forces you to create an account and enter detailed personal information before you can start shopping. This, in turn, creates a massive traffic bottleneck, as the government verifies your information and decides whether or not you’re eligible for subsidies. HHS bureaucrats knew this would make the website run more slowly. But they were more afraid that letting people see the underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans would scare people away.

HHS didn’t want users to see Obamacare’s true costs

“Healthcare.gov was initially going to include an option to browse before registering,” report Christopher Weaver and Louise Radnofsky in the Wall Street Journal. “But that tool was delayed, people familiar with the situation said.” Why was it delayed? “An HHS spokeswoman said the agency wanted to ensure that users were aware of their eligibility for subsidies that could help pay for coverage, before they started seeing the prices of policies.” (Emphasis added.)

As you know if you’ve been following this space, Obamacare’s bevy of mandates, regulations, taxes, and fees drives up the cost of the insurance plans that are offered under the law’s public exchanges. A Manhattan Institute analysis I helped conduct found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system. And those disparities are even wider for healthy people.

That raises an obvious question. If 50 million people are uninsured today, mainly because insurance is too expensive, why is it better to make coverage even costlier?

Political objectives trumped operational objectives

The answer is that Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/th.....ts/?partner=yahootix



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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still having to beg for straw for the bricks.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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So much for supposedly helping the self employeed....

A person we know is self employed and pays $468/mo for individual health insurance thru cdphp.

They notified this person...told them that they could no longer provide coverage (per government mandate) and to go to the 'obama exchange'.

This person will now have to pay$1200/MONTH!!!!

And trust me......this person does NOT make a lot of money....lower middle class at best.

TRUE STORY!!!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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PRICELESS!!!!!! what a bunch of jerkoffs


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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About 5.2 Million Poor People Won't Get Insurance Because
These GOP States Resisted Obamacare


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About 5.2 million poor, uninsured adults will fall into the “coverage gap,” created by 26 states
choosing not to expand Medicaid under the federal health law next year, according to a study
released today by the Kaiser Family Foundation.


Kaiser Health News
http://capsules.kaiserhealthne.....erage-gap-next-year/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The GOP states resisted because the government will only help fund the expanded plans for a limited number of years then the cost of the plan will fall back on the states who say they can't afford it.
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The U.S. debt, which has jumped 55 percent under President Obama, is now so high that if working Americans had to pay their full share, the bill would be over $123,000, according to a new Harvard University Institute of Politics study of the nation’s empty bank accounts.

The school's fiscal 2012 Annual Report of the USA, which examines the federal budget, put the total debt at $16.7 trillion. But that's such a big number that the student authors tried to put it in perspective.

For example, that $16.7 trillion, which would go up under Obama’s debt ceiling plan the House and Senate are considering, is equal to:

– About $53,000 per every inhabitant of the United States, including children and the unemployed
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– $123,000 if averaged out to employed Americans
– If converted into pennies and stacked, would be a column that would reach to the moon and back more than 3,350 times                                                                                                                                   http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....p;   
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A new Democracy Corps poll finds just 38% now clearly oppose the Affordable Care Act.

"While likely voters divide evenly on the plan, 8% oppose the law because it does not go far enough.
(Myself included)
As a result, just 38% oppose the law because it is big government."

Another key finding:
By 58% to 38%, voters say lawmakers should implement and fix the law rather than repeal it.


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Public Approval of Health Care Law
Polling Data
Poll     Date     Sample     For/Favor      Against/Oppose      Spread
RCP Average     9/27 - 10/13--38.3     48.8     Against/Oppose +10.5
Rasmussen Reports*     10/12 - 10/13     47     52     Against/Oppose +5
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl     10/7 - 10/9     800 A     38     43     Against/Oppose +5
Associated Press/GfK     10/3 - 10/7     28     38     Against/Oppose +10
FOX News*     10/1 - 10/2     952 RV     36     52     Against/Oppose +16
CBS News     10/1 - 10/2     1021 A     43     51     Against/Oppose +8
CNN/Opinion Research     9/27 - 9/29     38     57     Against/Oppose +19

All Public Approval of Health Care Law Polling Data
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As stated above:
8% oppose the law because it does not go far enough.
THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR POLL NUMBERS TO:

Public Approval of Health Care Law
Polling Data
Poll     Date     Sample     For/Favor      Against/Oppose      Spread
RCP Average     9/27 - 10/13--38.3     48.8     Against/Oppose +10.5 46.3 - 40.8 IN FAVOR OF ACA
Rasmussen Reports*     10/12 - 10/13     47     52     Against/Oppose +5  55- 44 IN FAVOR OF ACA
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl     10/7 - 10/9     800 A     38     43     Against/Oppose +5 46- 35 IN FAVOR OF ACA
Associated Press/GfK     10/3 - 10/7     28     38     Against/Oppose +10  36 - 30 IN FAVOR OF ACA
FOX News*     10/1 - 10/2     952 RV     36     52     Against/Oppose +16  44 - 44 TIE
CBS News     10/1 - 10/2     1021 A     43     51     Against/Oppose +8   51 - 43 IN FAVOR OF ACA
CNN/Opinion Research     9/27 - 9/29     38     57     Against/Oppose +19 46 - 48 AGAINST ACA


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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