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Saying American companies "expect to" hire more full time employees is an imaginary projection that could or could not happen. Especially since these companies aren't named, I think that is wishful thinking. When you see terms like "expect", and "will", instead of "are", it is hypothetical. The story about  Walgreen's names the company, and uses the present tense, they are talking about something that is really happening.
People who already have health insurance will see premium increases because a) this is already happening, and b) Obamacare goes well beyond making coverage available, through exchanges, to people who don't have it now, there are a lot of government edicts affecting the price of the policies people have now. For instance, pre-existing condition coverage, no surcharge for smokers, coverage for things plans would not pay for before (gender reassignment surgery), etc. There were controls placed on insurance companies as far as what coverage they have to provide, but no limits on how much can be charged for premiums. There is a lot more stuff in Obamacare that nobody paid attention to, that will cost money somewhere. There is no way people's premiums won't go up, and bear in mind, they were already way too high for some people. This is not health care reform, it does nothing about the horribly high costs of health care in this country. What a scam.
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it's a shakedown.....a re-leverage....simple thing to have done is stop paying our premiums....instead we send in big daddy...


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Obamacare Will Cost Much Less Than Expected For 95% Of Americans



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When uninsured Americans begin enrolling in Obamacare’s new health care exchanges
on Oct. 1, the overwhelming majority — 95 percent — will face health care premiums that are
16 percent lower, on average, than the government had previously projected


http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2013/MarketplacePremiums/ib_marketplace_premiums.cfm


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Obamacare Will Cost Much Less Than Expected For 95% Of Americans





http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2013/MarketplacePremiums/ib_marketplace_premiums.cfm


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OMG love the link!

Man I needed a good laugh today.





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Obamacare Will Cost Much Less Than Expected For 95% Of UNINSURED Americans





http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2013/MarketplacePremiums/ib_marketplace_premiums.cfm


The question should be what will happen to premiums of people who are ALREADY insured?...which, contrary to popular belief, is the MAJORITY of americans.


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Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women
Avik Roy Avik Roy, Contributor

The Obamacare Rate Map, an interactive tool for learning about health insurance prices under the Affordable Care Act, was produced by the Manhattan Institute. Click on the graphic to visit the map.

For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different.

Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.

HHS releases a trickle of data and a load of spin

Earlier this month, I and two colleagues from the Manhattan Institute—Yevgeniy Feyman and Paul Howard—published an interactive map that detailed Obamacare’s impact on individually-purchased health insurance premiums in 13 states plus D.C. As the accompanying article described, Obamacare increased premiums in those states by an average of 24 percent.

But those states were largely blue states that had set up their own, state-based insurance exchanges. The big data dump that we’ve been waiting for, since then, is from the majority of states that didn’t set up their own state-based exchange. That data is the responsibility of the Obama administration, namely HHS. Finally, with less than a week to go before the exchanges are supposed to go on-line, HHS has released a slim, 15-page report and a press release that summarize some of the premium data.

“Premiums nationwide will also be around 16 percent lower than originally expected,” HHS cheerfully announces in its press release. But that’s a ruse. HHS compared what the Congressional Budget Office projected rates might look like—in 2016—to its own findings. Neither of those numbers tells you the stat that really matters: how much rates will go up next year, under Obamacare, relative to this year, prior to the law taking effect.

Former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin agrees. “There are literally no comparisons to current rates. That is, HHS has chosen to dodge the question of whose rates are going up, and how much. Instead they try to distract with a comparison to a hypothetical number that has nothing to do with the actual experience of real people.”    http://www.forbes.com/sites/th.....en/?partner=yahootix
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Again, WILL cost less than PROJECTIONS. Imaginary numbers.
BTW, Your tax money, that is going to come from somewhere, to pay for the difference between what a person pays for insurance and what the policy costs, that tax money is adding to the already astronomic sum of money already being spent on "health care" in this country, but your taxes are lining the pockets of a private business, one that does not provide any actual care whatsoever. Health insurance companies are not doctors, they do not dispense medication nor do they examine and diagnose you. They make their money from taking in your premiums and holding on to that large pool of money. If too much is going out the door, they don't make any money, so they MUST raise their rates, to stay in business. More and more money being spent, on health care, without any actual care received. Very, very bad idea. There are also some extremely expensive changes for pharmacies in there, changes that have to show up somewhere, in terms of higher costs. What we have here is not "access to health care", which we already had, and it isn't any kind of "reform" whatsoever. It is basically an excuse for the government to seize total control over the citizenry. A real scam.
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Floridians Cost For ACA Coverage Revealed
CBS Miami

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/09/25/floridians-cost-for-aca-coverage-revealed/

If you are poor and live in a Republican State, you're screwed.  

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Anyone making below the poverty line won’t be eligible for subsidies
through the online marketplace.  Federal health officials anticipate roughly
1 million Floridians will fall into a gap where they can’t get health insurance
because the state rejected Medicaid expansion.

Florida has one of the highest uninsured rates in the country with an estimated
3.5 million lacking insurance.


I wonder if those who were eligible for ObamaCare and were screwed out if it by the
State GOP will vote in November?


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people with be PRICED OUT of private market ON PURPOSE....having to have no choice but to take government exchange...

not much different than any other government direct commodity...ie: energy...your national grid bill is a government exchange

can you control the cost of a stamp?
can you control the cost of your police dept?
can you control the cost of your army?
can you control the cost of your water(if you don't have a well)?

I will get fu(ked.....and I've worked for 20years to gain 'my place'...the next generation won't know the difference of choice..
it will 'just be' for them...their conversations will consist of stupid conversations much like those of 'don't touch medicare' blah
blah blah.....ALL THIS TIME THEY HAVE NEVER TOUCHED MEDICARE COST...JUST REARRANGED THE REGULATIONS/QUOTAS

the rate has ALWAYS gone up


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Support for Obamacare Depends on What You Call It

A new CNBC poll asked half of respondents if they support Obamacare and the other half
if they support the Affordable Care Act.

The findings: 46% oppose Obamacare while just 37% oppose the ACA.

"So putting Obama in the name raises the positives and the negatives. Gender and partisanship
are responsible for the differences.
Men, independents and Republicans are more negative on Obamacare than ACA.
Young people, Democrats, nonwhites and women are more positive on Obamacare."


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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NATIONAL HEALTHCARE....

affordable is just as subjective as minimum wage....vs poor......

that's like saying my national grid bill is affordable......i

OBAMA DOESN'T OWN THE NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.....it was already in the making long before he was in office...


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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UNITED NATIONS —
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The five permanent members of the divided Security Council have reached agreement
on key elements of a resolution to require Syria to dismantle its chemical weapons stockpiles,
U.N. diplomats said Thursday.

The diplomats said Russia and the United States were still negotiating on a handful of
unresolved issues, reportedly including details on how the chemical weapons will be destroyed.




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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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until 20years pass and the true stories emerge....the social media of today will rule them totally in the future...unless they make
the users criminals....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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