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here's to having your cake and eating it too:

"IG Farben was the most powerful German corporate cartel in the first half of the 20th century and the single largest profiteer
from the second world war. "IG" (interessengemeinschaft) stands for "Association of Common Interests": IG Farben included
BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and other German chemical and pharmaceutical companies....IG Farben, was the only German company
in the Third Reich to run its own concentration camp. At least 30,000 slave workers died in this camp; a lot more were deported
to the gas chambers. It was no coincidence that IG Farben built their giant new plant in  Auschwitz, since the workforce
they used (altogether about 300,000 people) was practically for free. The Zyklon B gas , which killed millions of Jews, Gypsies and
other unfortunates was produced by IG Farben's subsidiary company Degesch."


here's to your 'health care'.....

medical care and health care are NOT the same thing........

national healthcare will give us all concentration camp numbers, we will have our cake and eat it too.....


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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I think that they may go to the ER because that's where they have gone in the past.

As far as waiting in line... Have you ever been to the ER with a non emergency?
Most ER's will refuse a common cold and will tell you to go see your own DR.
ER's don't have to treat you unless you have a life threatening condition.


I have...but they still will see you the same day... which the article claims is in the main reason for going, when they can't get a same day appointment with a regular doctor.
ER's don't have to treat a non-life threatening condition, but they almost always do...the money is just too easy...especially when the patient claims to have no doctor.

I have said from the beginning that Universal health care is a good thing, the problem I have is the way it was sold...both with claims of $$ savings and how it was to be financed. I don't the believe the young, healthy, and uninsured will enroll as a civic duty and I feel the supposed "savings" like above are based on hope more than fact.


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Yea, I'm hoping that when the Righties realize that they've been taken for a ride, they'll join their
Democrat brethren and help pass 'single payer'.


I'm waiting for lefties to wake up and realize their party voted to subsidize "big business" and "Wall St" in the tune of billions.  But hey, both parties will get their campaign coffers filled with some of that money.  Win-win...And the charade continues...


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....... 50 years of a failed "war on poverty" but you must keep them going, because the beaurocrats making a living running these failed policies can't lose their jobs.  So they'll tell you these policies just need more money and they will work.


Without government programs for low-income Americans, the poverty rate in the United
States would be nearly twice as high as it is today.




NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....d=tw-share%26_r=1%26


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Without government programs for low-income Americans, the poverty rate in the United
States would be nearly twice as high as it is today.




NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....d=tw-share%26_r=1%26


That's called a counter factual.  Without trillions spent on senseless wars over the past 50 years, that would have lowered the poverty rate too.  


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Guess Who Signed Up For OBAMACARE Today??
YUP!  Senator "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" Rand Paul!




Kentucky Senator Rand Paul said yesterday that he has enrolled his family in Obamacare,
but he isn’t happy about it. In fact, he says he has “been in a bad mood ever since.”


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Without government programs for low-income Americans, the poverty rate in the United
States would be nearly twice as high as it is today.




NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....d=tw-share%26_r=1%26


and you have a crystal ball for this 'fact'.....the only reason there are low-income Americans is because we seem
to think that working UNDER another human for some arbitrarily valued fiat is better than making our own and bartering
with our neighbors....

go ahead and say it's because capitalism ruined it, then try to explain how the government just fairy tale equals
everything out and provides the 'more' that we WANT.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The life expectancy at birth between the highest and lowest states
is a difference of 6.3 years. 9 of the 10 states with the highest life expectancy
are blue states while all 10 of the lowest are red states. Unfortunately, this
differential is expected to increase with the decrease in accessibility of
Obamacare in America's red states.

Due to the obstructionism of Republican governors, those who are most
in need of health care will be left to fend for themselves against predatory
insurance companies.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The life expectancy at birth between the highest and lowest states
is a difference of 6.3 years. 9 of the 10 states with the highest life expectancy
are blue states while all 10 of the lowest are red states. Unfortunately, this
differential is expected to increase with the decrease in accessibility of
Obamacare in America's red states.

Due to the obstructionism of Republican governors, those who are most
in need of health care will be left to fend for themselves against predatory
insurance companies.

Most of that chart can be attributed to the Southern diet, which is MUCH higher in fat and calories than the northern diet, and tobacco use, which by percentage is higher in the south...add to that, the more sedentary lifestyle in the south due to the heat  If you notice, the red state that has the highest age life expectancy is Utah, which is far removed from the south.


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Most of that chart can be attributed to the Southern diet, which is MUCH higher in fat and calories than the northern diet, and tobacco use, which by percentage is higher in the south...add to that, the more sedentary lifestyle in the south due to the heat  If you notice, the red state that has the highest age life expectancy is Utah, which is far removed from the south.


So Tbird posts that the reason those Republican Southerners are dying so young is that they
are lazy, smoke and eat too much....
(And that they vote for Republicans, so they have no health care.)


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So Tbird posts that the reason those Republican Southerners are dying so young is that they
are lazy, smoke and eat too much....
(And that they vote for Republicans, so they have no health care.)


No, just posting the truth instead of trying to support some political agenda... and BTW Boxy, I'll bet ya there isn't much difference in life expectancy in those "red" states for Dems, pubs, independents, and non-voters...you'd have to look at social-economics rather than party affiliation


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No, just posting the truth instead of trying to support some political agenda... and BTW Boxy, I'll bet ya there isn't much difference in life expectancy in those "red" states for Dems, pubs, independents, and non-voters...you'd have to look at social-economics rather than party affiliation


Lifestyle choices do add years to the human body, but also a factor is health care and in many
of these Southern states, they have opted out of much of ObamaCare, leaving the uninsured
dying needlessly due to lack of health care insurance.

Red states also have the highest divorce rate, the highest teen pregnancy rate and the
highest infant mortality rate.


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BTW Boxy, I'll bet ya there isn't much difference in life expectancy in those "red" states for Dems, pubs, independents, and non-voters...you'd have to look at social-economics rather than party affiliation


My point is that Republican Red State Politics kills it's citizens.  Dems or Reps may live equal life
spans in those states, but the reason that they both die at a younger age is Right Wing Red State
Policy.



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