Poor Boxy.....Still living in fantasy land. Here, I'll give you more facts so you can retort with retarded cartoons that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. This is from the IRS (The IRS runs Obamacare), if you take the time to skim through it, you'll see that the IRS says that the CHEAPEST Obamacare plan (Bronze) will be $20,000 per family. http://www.irs.gov/PUP/newsroom/REG-148500-12%20FR.pdf
Poor Bucky... Still falling for all the Right Wing SCAMS.
No cartoon, no opinion, just the facts:
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The MYTH "IRS: Obamacare Cheapest Plan $20,000 Per Family in 2016" (IRS ObamaCare Statement on Cheapest Plan Explained)
IRS ObamaCare Cheapest Plan; IRS Estimates the Average Family Will Pay no Less than $20,000 for the cheapest plan under ObamaCare. That statement couldn't be more misleading. Another example of the Media misquoting information. Please read the updates section to get the full story on the IRS: ObamaCare cost.
Here, I'll give you more facts so you can retort with more lame a$$ FoxSnooze propaganda!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Just about everything that was promised by this administration about Obama-care has been proven to be false so why should we believe more of their BS.
Most of Obama Care has yet to be implemented, but: ~ kids who were uninsured can now be on their parents insurance till age 26... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ Many of those now in the system have received rebates as promised... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ Women can now get GYNO exams with no co pays... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ Insurance companies must use at least 80% of premiums on 'health care'... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ For most people with company provided health care, there is no change in their insurance. But if they lose their job or health coverage, they can fall back on Obamacare... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ ObamaCare does not replace private insurance, Medicare, or Medicaid... THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ 1 in 2 Americans have a "pre-existing" condition they could be denied health insurance for. ObamaCare reduces pre-existing conditions until 2017 when there are no more pre-existing conditions for anyone. THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
~ 54 million Americans with private health insurance now have access to preventive services with no cost sharing due to the new minimum standards of ObamaCare. THAT PART ISN'T FALSE
And much more.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Didn't that Susan Rice get appointed to a high level job because of her truthfulness and integrity in the Benghazi matter? Damn that video maker! It just shows how trustworthy this administration is. Shame on you, Shadow, you Doubting Thomas.
As I remember the main reason that health-care had to be overhauled was to lower the cost, has that happened yet Box? I'll bet many people in this country had their rates go up. Now the unions are going to get hit with a big increase in 2018 when their exemption ends so now they don't like it. Medicare now refuses to allow many cancer patients to had life saving drugs because they cost too much. y brother-in-law has to pay $6000 a month out of pocket for a drug that's keeping his cancer in check. The family physician is no longer taking any new Medicare patients, some doctors are going to a cash only system for their patients who then have to fight with their insurance companies to get reimbursed. How come we were never told about that Box? Like you plan keep your plan, like your doctor keep your doctor, cost of plans went up, and Box is still spewing the old DNC talking points about how great government run health-care is going to be.
As I remember the main reason that health-care had to be overhauled was to lower the cost, has that happened yet Box? I'll bet many people in this country had their rates go up. Now the unions are going to get hit with a big increase in 2018 when their exemption ends so now they don't like it. Medicare now refuses to allow many cancer patients to had life saving drugs because they cost too much. y brother-in-law has to pay $6000 a month out of pocket for a drug that's keeping his cancer in check. The family physician is no longer taking any new Medicare patients, some doctors are going to a cash only system for their patients who then have to fight with their insurance companies to get reimbursed. How come we were never told about that Box? Like you plan keep your plan, like your doctor keep your doctor, cost of plans went up, and Box is still spewing the old DNC talking points about how great government run health-care is going to be.
Shadow will always post his opinion or incidents as if they represented the FACTS.
The Truth is that Obama Care has already saved all of us Health Care Dollars! But don't believe me, read what FORBES says about Obama Care Bringing Down Health Care Costs:
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A new Congressional Budget Office report out last week has the healthcare world scratching its head over the possibility that Obamacare might—in part—be responsible for what is being described as a significant slowdown in the growth of healthcare costs in America.
According to the report, hundreds of billions of dollars in federal spending for Medicare and Medicaid are being removed from government projections as federal healthcare spending is now expected to be full 15 percent less than what had been initially budgeted for 2012. The surprisingly low spending projections come as the growth in healthcare spending has hit a new low for the fourth consecutive year.
...Now, experts are beginning to recognize that the Affordable Care Act may, in fact, be contributing to the good news—a significant development as bending the cost curve was a primary goal of Obamacare.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Refusing people care will reduce expenses every time. Refusing people expensive life saving drugs will do the same. The CBO can only use the monetary figures that are supplied to them and some of those figures are based on pie in the sky assumptions.
"is being described", "is expected to be", "government projections". This is conjecture from a government we know lies a lot and covers it up, and doesn't care if you know it. Not saying Bush/Cheney was trustworthy, this government is just as bad, if not worse. I'm going with worse, personally.
"is being described", "is expected to be", "government projections". This is conjecture from a government we know lies a lot and covers it up, and doesn't care if you know it. Not saying Bush/Cheney was trustworthy, this government is just as bad, if not worse. I'm going with worse, personally.
Projections is all you have in a new program that hasn't even been fully implemented... but it beats nothing but 'more of the same' offered by the Republicans.
Women DO have gyno exams at no cost... that is a FACT. Kids up to age26 now are covered under their parents health plans... that is a FACT. Of course ObamaCare isn't perfect... and many Americans, myself included are disappointed with the final (after the GOP gutted the original) plan.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Let's not forget that the administration cut 700 billion out of Medicare so that alone should have saved them a bundle. Hospitals and doctors now get paid less for their services and that is going to play a big part in what happens to Medicare patients and their health-care. All the goodies have been handed out now comes the bitter medicine for the next 4 years. The Dems who voted for Obama-care had better figure out a way to keep their jobs between now and the 2014 elections, maybe they can tell some more lies.
Projections is all you have in a new program that hasn't even been fully implemented... but it beats nothing but 'more of the same' offered by the Republicans.
Women DO have gyno exams at no cost... that is a FACT. Kids up to age26 now are covered under their parents health plans... that is a FACT. Of course ObamaCare isn't perfect... and many Americans, myself included are disappointed with the final (after the GOP gutted the original) plan.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Let's not forget that the administration cut 700 billion out of Medicare so that alone should have saved them a bundle. Hospitals and doctors now get paid less for their services and that is going to play a big part in what happens to Medicare patients and their health-care. All the goodies have been handed out now comes the bitter medicine for the next 4 years. The Dems who voted for Obama-care had better figure out a way to keep their jobs between now and the 2014 elections, maybe they can tell some more lies.
Yadda Yadda Yadda... that BS left with the Mitt Romney Defeat in November: "Mitt Romney said Barack Obama robs Medicare of more than $700 billion to pay for Obamacare" Shadow... repeating Right Wing Lies does not make them any truer. PolitiFact http://www.politifact.com/trut.....irst-history-rob-me/
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself
Alyene Senger
August 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm
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Last week, a new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report updated the amount of money Obamacare robs out of Medicare from $500 billion to a whopping $716 billion between 2013 and 2022.
According to the CBO, the payment cuts in Medicare include: A $260 billion payment cut for hospital services. A $39 billion payment cut for skilled nursing services. A $17 billion payment cut for hospice services. A $66 billion payment cut for home health services. A $33 billion payment cut for all other services. A $156 billion cut in payment rates in Medicare Advantage (MA); $156 billion is before considering interactions with other provisions. The House Ways and Means Committee was able to include interactions with other provisions, estimating the cuts to MA to be even higher, coming in at $308 billion. $56 billion in cuts for disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments.* DSH payments go to hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients. $114 billion in other provisions pertaining to Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP* (does not include coverage-related provisions).
*Subtract $25 billion total between DSH payments and other provisions for spending that was cut from Medicaid and CHIP.
In total, Obamacare raids Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022. Despite Medicare facing a 75-year unfunded obligation of $37 trillion, Obamacare uses the savings from the cuts to pay for other provisions in Obamacare, not to help shore up Medicare’s finances.
In total, Obamacare raids Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022. Despite Medicare facing a 75-year unfunded obligation of $37 trillion, Obamacare uses the savings from the cuts to pay for other provisions in Obamacare, not to help shore up Medicare’s finances.
Your disagreement isn't with my facts Shadow... Your disagreement is with PolitiFact.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that the medical loss provision of the President Obama’s health care reform act, which requires insurers to spend 80 percent of premium dollars on health care and quality improvement expenditures in the individual and small group markets or pay a rebate to customers, has already produced lower premiums.
“If insurers’ preliminary estimates hold true, this year’s rebates (at a total of $571 million across all markets) are expected to be about half the amount of last year’s $1.1 billion in insurer rebates. Smaller rebates, however, are not an indication that consumers are now saving less money as a result of the MLR provision, but rather that insurers are coming closer to meeting the ACA’s MLR requirements and that this provision is having its intended effect of consumers getting more value for the money they spend on premiums.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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