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California Health Insurance Premiums

A 40-year-old Californian with a moderate income will pay between nothing and $219 a month for
a basic health insurance plan next year under President Barack Obama's health care reform law, a
state agency announced Thursday.

Covered California, the authority in charge of the state's health insurance exchange, has released
details about what the health insurance market for individuals who don't get coverage at work
will look like next year. In all, 13 health insurance companies will sell products on the exchange,
and premiums will range from 2 percent more to 29 percent less than what comparable
plans cost this year, the agency said.

The average cost of a standard health insurance plan sold on the health insurance exchange will
range from $304 to $321 a month in the Golden State next year, Covered California announced.
Compared to existing plans with comparable benefits and factoring in available subsidies for
low- and moderate-income people, prices like these represent either a small increase or
a significant decrease in the monthly costs, the agency said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....8110.html?1369347779



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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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More propaganda from SEIU. I'll wait to see how well health-care works when they try to implement it in 2014. If the Dems are running from it now how good will it be??
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UNTIL the system demands compliance....it is still your body....you should be able to SAY NO.....but watch and see the
stockholm syndrome that will be pressed into your little grey matter......

COURTESY OF ADP COMPANY....and don't forget ALL payroll companies along with that trustworthy IRS will TELL YOU WHAT TO DO

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interventions....interesting term....considering NO ONE IS INTERVENING IN GMO FOOD SUPPLY....

the question is WHY ARE YOU SICK?

because we are fat lazy slobs that allow those in elected positions to control our food/water/energy supply 'for our good'
then sends fear into our heads to comply to 'best practices' .....

Box....please think OUTSIDE the box


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Young Adults And Hospitals Saved $147 Million In 2011...
THANKS OBAMACARE!  



The New England Journal of Medicine
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An estimated 3.1 million young Americans who would have lacked health coverage gained
access to it thanks to an Obamacare provision that allows adults up to age 26 to remain on their
parents’ health insurance. A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine concludes
that shift saved young people from paying — and hospitals from absorbing — $147 million in high
medical bills for treating catastrophic conditions such as broken bones, poisonings, and traumatic
brain injuries in 2011 alone.
Without the health law’s protections, uninsured young Americans would have been forced to foot
the bill for these urgent care visits. “Some of those costs would have been born by individuals,”
said Andrew Mulcahy, one of the study’s authors. “Some of those costs would have been
ultimately been born by hospitals as uncompensated care.”



http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212779


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Look at Boxy cheerleading!!!

And then reality sets back in.

What a difference a week makes....So much for that 'Obamacare is working' meme



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Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%


Last week, the state of California claimed that its version of Obamacare’s health insurance exchange would actually reduce premiums. “These rates are way below the worst-case gloom-and-doom scenarios we have heard,” boasted Peter Lee, executive director of the California exchange. But the data that Lee released tells a different story: Obamacare, in fact, will increase individual-market premiums in California by as much as 146 percent.

One of the most serious flaws with Obamacare is that its blizzard of regulations and mandates drives up the cost of insurance for people who buy it on their own.

This problem will be especially acute when the law’s main provisions kick in on January 1, 2014, leading many to worry about health insurance “rate shock.”

Lee’s claims that there won’t be rate shock in California were repeated uncritically in some quarters. “Despite the political naysayers,” writes my Forbes colleague Rick Ungar, “the healthcare exchange concept appears to be working very well indeed in states like California.” A bit more analysis would have prevented Rick from falling for California’s sleight-of-hand.

Here’s what happened. Last week, Covered California—the name for the state’s Obamacare-compatible insurance exchange—released the rates that Californians will have to pay to enroll in the exchange.

“The rates submitted to Covered California for the 2014 individual market,” the state said in a press release, “ranged from two percent above to 29 percent below the 2013 average premium for small employer plans in California’s most populous regions.”

That’s the sentence that led to all of the triumphant commentary from the left. “This is a home run for consumers in every region of California,” exulted Peter Lee.

Except that Lee was making a misleading comparison. He was comparing apples—the plans that Californians buy today for themselves in a robust individual market—and oranges—the highly regulated plans that small employers purchase for their workers as a group. The difference is critical.

Obamacare to double individual-market premiums

If you’re a 25 year old male non-smoker, buying insurance for yourself, the cheapest plan on Obamacare’s exchanges is the catastrophic plan, which costs an average of $184 a month. (By “average,” I mean the median monthly premium across California’s 19 insurance rating regions.)

The next cheapest plan, the “bronze” comprehensive plan, costs $205 a month. But in 2013, on eHealthInsurance.com (NASDAQ:EHTH), the median cost of the five cheapest plans was only $92.

In other words, for the typical 25-year-old male non-smoking Californian, Obamacare will drive premiums up by between 100 and 123 percent.

Under Obamacare, only people under the age of 30 can participate in the slightly cheaper catastrophic plan. So if you’re 40, your cheapest option is the bronze plan. In California, the median price of a bronze plan for a 40-year-old male non-smoker will be $261.

But on eHealthInsurance, the median cost of the five cheapest plans was $121. That is, Obamacare will increase individual-market premiums by an average of 116 percent.

For both 25-year-olds and 40-year-olds, then, Californians under Obamacare who buy insurance for themselves will see their insurance premiums double.






Impact highest in Bay Area, Orange County, and San Diego

In the map below, I illustrate the regional variations in Obamacare’s rate hikes. For each of the state’s 19 insurance regions, I compared the median price of the bronze plans offered on the exchange to the median price of the five cheapest plans on eHealthInsurance.com for the most populous zip code in that region. (eHealth offers more than 50 plans in the typical California zip code; focusing on the five cheapest is the fairest comparator to the exchanges, which typically offered three to six plans in each insurance rating region.)





As you can see, Obamacare’s impact on 40-year-olds is steepest in the San Francisco Bay area, especially in the counties north of San Francisco, like Marin, Napa, and Sonoma. Also hard-hit are Orange and San Diego counties.

According to Covered California, 13 carriers are participating in the state’s exchange, including Anthem Blue Cross (NYSE:WLP), Health Net (NYSE:HNT), Molina (NYSE:MOH), and Kaiser Permanente. So far, UnitedHealthCare (NYSE:UNH) and Aetna (NYSE:AET) have stayed out.

Spinning a public-relations disaster

It’s great that Covered California released this early the rates that insurers plan to charge on the exchange, as it gives us an early window into how the exchanges will work in a state that has an unusually competitive and inexpensive individual market for health insurance. But that’s the irony. The full rate report is subtitled “Making the Individual Market in California Affordable.” But Obamacare has actually doubled individual-market premiums in the Golden State.

How did Lee and his colleagues explain the sleight-of-hand they used to make it seem like they were bringing prices down, instead of up? “It is difficult to make a direct comparison of these rates to existing premiums in the commercial individual market,” Covered California explained in last week’s press release, “because in 2014, there will be new standard benefit designs under the Affordable Care Act.” That’s a polite way of saying that Obamacare’s mandates and regulations will drive up the cost of premiums in the individual market for health insurance.

But rather than acknowledge that truth, the agency decided to ignore it completely, instead comparing Obamacare-based insurance to a completely different type of insurance product, that bears no relevance to the actual costs that actual Californians face when they shop for coverage today. Peter Lee calls it a “home run.” It’s more like hitting into a triple play.

Obama attacked insurers in 2010 for much smaller increases

That Obamacare more than doubles insurance premiums for many Californians is especially ironic, given the political posturing of the President and his administration in 2010. In February of that year, Anthem Blue Cross announced that some groups (but not the majority) would face premium increases of as much as 39 percent. The White House and its allies in the blogosphere, cynically, claimed that these increases were due to greedy profiteering by the insurers, instead of changes in the underlying costs of the insured population.

“These extraordinary increases are up to 15 times faster than inflation and threaten to make health care unaffordable for hundreds of thousands of Californians, many of whom are already struggling to make ends meet in a difficult economy,” said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “[Anthem’s] strong financial position makes these rate increases even more difficult to understand.” The then-Democratic Congress called hearings. Even California Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner, a Republican running for governor, decided to launch an investigation.












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California is on the verge of bankruptcy so whatever, if any, "low cost" or "free" stuff (a.k.a. tax payer subsidized) they may (or may not) be promising --- are likely to vanish when California goes belly up like Greece or some banana boat republic.


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California is on the verge of bankruptcy so whatever, if any, "low cost" or "free" stuff (a.k.a. tax payer subsidized) they may (or may not) be promising --- are likely to vanish when California goes belly up like Greece or some banana boat republic.


LMAO @ "California is on the verge of bankruptcy"

California... multi billion-dollar surplus


"State coffers contain about $4.5 billion more than expected in personal
income tax payments.
Business taxes have also rebounded, signaling an economic recovery."


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The tax surplus is partly a sign that California's economy is on the mend, with
housing prices on the rise and unemployment dropping. The stock market has also been
climbing, pumping more money into the state treasury.

"It's almost certain that 2013 will be a very good year," said Steve Levy, director of the
Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy in Palo Alto.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/02/local/la-me-state-budget-20130503


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Lol...what about the $100 billion of un-funded liabilities?  It's budget voodoo.  


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Obamacare reduced premiums. So when they say they have a surplus, it must be true.





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California had an $11.2 billion deficit in the mid part of the last decade that topped out at $40 billion in 2009-110.   At best, California has a "small surplus" for the current fiscal year.

They were only able to balance the budgets during those years by raising public college tuition by 30%, almost $25 billion in cuts from service programs and education, furloughing workers, raising the state sales tax and even borrowing money from cities and counties in California.    Oh -- and 3 municipalities and 1 health care district in California have declared bankruptcy.


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California had an $11.2 billion deficit in the mid part of the last decade that topped out at $40 billion in 2009-110.   At best, California has a "small surplus" for the current fiscal year.

They were only able to balance the budgets during those years by raising public college tuition by 30%, almost $25 billion in cuts from service programs and education.


It still cost less to go to a California State University than it cost to go to Schenectady Community College. Almost half of California's state budget goes to education.  


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It still cost less to go to a California State University than it cost to go to Schenectady Community College. Half of California's state budget goes to education.  


The state budget doesn't come out thin air.  It comes out of taxpayers' wallets.  California is headed towards a fiscal train-wreck and New York isn't too far behind.  When that day comes, they will be closing college campuses and cutting services and it won't be a pretty sight.

Let's get back to ObamaCare -- the lie that was told to us by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Tonko was that they wanted everyone to have access to health care by ensuring that everyone was covered by insurance.  OK -- sounds good on paper --  and there are people who well off enough to buy what Tonko has called "cadillac health insurance policies" ... those people will be PENALIZED for being able to afford to pay ON THEIR OWN for a high level of health care.  It doesn't make sense --- the people who can afford to buy their own health insurance should have been and should be LEFT ALONE.   THEY are not the problem that needs to be fixed -------------------------- oh wait .. in Tonko's words .. which I have heard on numerous occasions .. the insurance companies are the problem so logically if some people can afford to buy their own coverage -- even "cadillac coverage" -- than in Obama's and Tonko's mind THAT IS THE PROBLEM.  What Obama,Reid, Pelosi and Tonko want to do is destroy the private health insurance companies and replace it with a government run insurance program.  

THAT is the bill of goods that we got sold.  THAT is what they wanted us to wait until after it was passed to know what was in the bill.  And that -- my friends -- is the bull sh*t that they try to pass off as progressive thinking.   Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson and even Franklin Roosevelt would be turning over in their graves if they knew what has become of the Democratic Party and what passes for leadership with the Democratic Party today.



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Got to agree with DV on this one.
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