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SAFE Act snafu stifles law-abiding gun owners

As a law-abiding gun owner, I recently wanted to buy a handgun from a friend that I have known for almost 20 years, who is also a New York pistol permit holder. But due to the SAFE Act background check provision, it is almost impossible because federal firearms license dealers are not required to do private checks, and most in my area won’t.
   With a call to the hot line and the governor’s office, the response I got was: “Well, that’s too bad, you just have to keep looking.”
   Yet, the header on the website says: “The SAFE Act stops criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from buying a gun by requiring universal background checks on gun purchases, increases penalties for people who use illegal guns, mandates life in prison without parole for anyone who murders a first responder, and imposes the toughest assault weapons ban in the country. For hunters, sportsmen, and law-abiding gun owners, this new law preserves and protects your right to buy, sell, keep or use your guns.” — Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

   Somehow I don’t see my rights as being preserved or protected.

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With a call to the hot line and the governor’s office, the response I got was: “Well, that’s too bad, you just have to keep looking.”


because the law makes regulations that CAN'T BE UPHELD/FOLLOWED.....that's how they make criminals and that's how the
masses are lied to ......

stockholm syndrome...

feel safe yet......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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because the law makes regulations that CAN'T BE UPHELD/FOLLOWED.....that's how they make criminals and that's how the
masses are lied to ......

stockholm syndrome...

feel safe yet......



by the way....the healthcare regulations work like this too....you think the government is protecting you in a healthcare
facility....THEY ARE NOT.....it's a whitewash/snow job....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Cuomo is spending a lot of money on commercials now to explain how great he is. Just because New York is a corrupt mess and he chooses to spend his time passing bad laws in the middle of the night, doesn't mean he isn't great. I know, because I've seen the ads.
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He is a black mark on the state already....he's a retread


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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New York: Dealers Resist Private Background Checks
by Robert W. Hunnicutt • April 24, 2013 •

Among the other onerous provisions of the slapdash New York SAFE Act was a requirement that all firearms transfers, except those between family members, pass through an FFL dealer. Needless to say, Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders didn’t spend much time asking gun dealers if they were OK with that, and especially if they were OK with the mandated $10 fee for the service.

Now the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reports that area dealers are refusing to be dragooned into state service. Two are flat-out refusing to do private-party transfers and a third is charging $35.

Dealers point out that $10 hardly even covers the cost of their time, much less any potential legal liability should a record-keeping error occur or if the gun were later involved in an accident.

“The store has to take the gun in, book it in, give you a receipt for selling it, give them a receipt for taking it, do a background check, book it out of our logbooks, save the background check forever in our records, and give them a lock with it, all for $10,” said Fred Calcagno, owner of American Sportsman in East Rochester told the paper. Calcagno said he has been turning away people who want to do the transfers.

The Cuomo administration apparently just sort of assumed that gun dealers would be happy to make a princely $10 per transaction, in the same way they just sort of assumed there was such a thing as a seven-round AR magazine.

Cuomo spokesman Richard Azzopardi emailed the Democrat and Chronicle: “The law is clear that dealers can voluntarily offer for private sales the same check that they already run for all retail firearm sales, and charge up to $10. We believe responsible dealers will provide this service because responsible gun dealers and owners know how important it is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill,”

Well, no. Dealers don’t at all see why they need to risk lawsuits and lose money so the state of New York can stick its nose into private gun sales. Dealers aren’t going to do the checks, at least for $10, so individuals are just going to sell guns the way they always have. They may not stroll the aisles of gun shows with a price tag taped to a rifle barrel, but they’ll sell guns to their friends and acquaintances as they always have, and become criminals in the process. But maybe that was the idea all along.

Read more: http://www.shotgunnews.com/201.....hecks/#ixzz2Tl4u90gl
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Cuomo pretty much torched any chance he had of becoming president when he buffaloed the Safe Act through in January.  Now he appears to be waffling on this issue and some others to ensure his reelection as governor and maybe allow himself a chance to stay in that office through the end of 2018 or maybe 2022.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Cuomo's backdoor SAFE act getting rammed through is a tactic that resembles Obama.

State level government overstepping it's authority.

Cuomo models himself after Obama.

Obama might be a dirty word by the next election cycle.

He may wish he distanced himself from Obama.
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COLUMBIA COUNTY NY DISTRICT ATTORNEY REFUSES TO PROSECUTE MAN FOR NY SAFT ACT CHARGES
05-23-2013 8:43 pm - John W. Wallace - NY OathKeeper
COLUMBIA COUNTY - The Columbia County District Attorney is making good on a promise not to prosecute a man arrested under the SAFE Act.

DA Paul Czajka said he would not prosecute Gregory Dean Jr.

Mr. Dean, 31, of Hopewell Junction in Dutchess County, was pulled over earlier this month after State Police say the light over his license plate was out. He was found to be driving his car while having a suspended driver's license, a misdemeanor under the state's Vehicle and Traffic Law.

During the processing for driving while having a suspended license, Mr. Dean was found to be in possession of a licensed handgun that had 9 bullets in the magazine (2 bullets more than legally allowed under the NY SAFE Act). The State Police then charged him under the violation of the SAFE ACT.

When he appeared in the town Court to face the gun charges, the District Attorney said he would not prosecute and the charge was dismissed. Mr. Dean still faces the Driving while Suspended chsarges.

A large crowd of Pro-Second Amendment supporters was on hand at the court to support Mr. Dean.




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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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COLUMBIA COUNTY NY DISTRICT ATTORNEY REFUSES TO PROSECUTE MAN FOR NY SAFT ACT CHARGES


The DA dropped the charges... not uncommon in any jurisdiction.

Driving with a suspended license???

Throw the book at him.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The DA exercised some common sense.
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The DA exercised some common sense.


The DA saw a handful of votes lost if he prosecuted... so he took the easy way out.

I know a guy who got a speeding ticket... going 55 in a 35 zone.  
The DA accepted a plea of "parking on the roadway", and $200 fine!  


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The DA dropped the charges... not uncommon in any jurisdiction.





A win for liberty and a deep wound for the traitors


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A win for liberty and a deep wound for the traitors


Right!  Just like the guy who The DA accepted a plea of "parking on the roadway", and $200 fine
for speeding...

A win for liberty and a deep wound for the traitors


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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