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Boxy, I'm not going to revisit history, because frankly, it isn't worth my time.
But I have caught you in the fake headline garbage more than once...
I know it, the rest of the board knows it, and deep down, so do YOU.


Like I said in my other post reading him or knowing what he will post next is as easy as counting to 1-2-3, I hope he doesn't play chess


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Meanwhile, Scooby and the gang uncover some more clues...

Ruh Roh Shaggy....

(Remember folks, Holder testified that he 'recused' himself and had no idea what was going on.)

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com.....ficial-says#comments


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Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

By Michael Isikoff
National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a “possible co-conspirator” in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.


  

The disclosure of the attorney general’s role came as President Barack Obama, in a major speech on his counterterrorism policy, said Holder had agreed to review Justice Department guidelines governing investigations that involve journalists.

"I am troubled by the possibility that leak investigations may chill the investigative journalism that holds government accountable," Obama said. "Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs."






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Rosen, who has not been charged in the case, was nonetheless the target of a search warrant that enabled Justice Department investigators to secretly seize his private emails after an FBI agent said he had "asked, solicited and encouraged … (a source) to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information."

Obama's comments follow a firestorm of criticism that has erupted over disclosures that in separate investigations of leaks of classified information, the Justice Department had obtained private emails that Rosen exchanged with a source and the phone records of Associated Press reporters.

Holder previously said he recused himself from the AP subpoena because he had been questioned as a witness in the underlying investigation into a leak about a foiled bomb plot in Yemen. His role in personally approving the Rosen search warrant had not been previously reported.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Department of Justice later issued a statement about the review of media guidelines: “This review is consistent with Attorney General Holder's long-standing belief that freedom of the press is essential to our democracy," it said. "At the same time, the attorney general believes that leaks of classified information damage our national security and must be investigated using appropriate law enforcement tools.  We remain steadfast in our commitment to following all laws and regulations intended to safeguard national security as well as the First Amendment interests of the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving it."

The law enforcement official said Holder's approval of the Rosen search, in the spring of 2010, came after senior Justice officials concluded there was "probable cause" that Rosen's communications with his source, identified as intelligence analyst Stephen Kim, met the legal burden for such searches. "It was approved at the highest levels-- and I mean the highest," said the law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. He said that explicitly included Holder.

Kim has since been indicted on charges that he leaked classified information to Rosen about how North Korea would respond to a United Nations resolution condemning the country's nuclear program. He has denied the charges.

In an affidavit in support of a search warrant to Google for Rosen's emails, an FBI agent wrote that the Fox News journalist -- identified only as "the Reporter" -- had "asked, solicited and encouraged Mr. Kim to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information."

"The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim's vanity and ego,” it continued. “Much like an intelligence officer would run a clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan that involved" emails from his gmail account.






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The affidavit states that FBI agents had tracked Rosen’s entrances and exits of the State Department in order to show that they had coincided with Kim’s movements. Based on that and other findings, the affidavit by FBI Agent Reginald B. Reyes, stated, “There is probable cause to believe that the Reporter has committed a violation” of the Espionage Act “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator of Mr. Kim.”

It also said that Google was specifically instructed not to notify “the subscriber” -- Rosen -- that his emails were being seized.

In new documents disclosed Thursday, the Justice Department sought and obtained approval to keep the search warrant, which was approved by a federal magistrate, under seal. It was unsealed in November 2011, but never made a part of the docket of Kim’s case and went unnoticed until this week.

Justice officials have since said they do not intend to criminally charge Rosen, but media groups have condemned the issuance of the search warrant itself.

"The Justice Department's decision to treat routine newsgathering efforts as evidence of criminality is extremely troubling and corrodes time-honored understandings between the public and the government about the role of the free press," said Bruce Brown, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

In his speech Thursday, Obama reiterated his determination to pursue leak investigations. "We must enforce consequences for those who break the law and breach their commitment to protect classified information," he said.

  But, he said, "Our focus must be on those who break the law," not journalists. He said he was calling on Congress to pass a media shield law and had raised the issue with Holder, "who shares my concern."

As part of the Justice Department review of guidelines, the president said, Holder will convene a group of media organizations to hear their views and “report back to me by July 12th."

NBC News Chief Justice Correspondent Pete Williams contributed to this report











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"The IRS Had the Right Idea"
Former NPR CEO Ken Stern

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What’s so bad about the IRS investigating nonprofit applications? That’s their job. The real scandal
is that the ensuing hubbub will discourage them from doing it again.

Over the last week, commentators have expressed great outrage over the handling by the IRS of
applications by Tea Party groups and others for 501(c)(4) status. In the haste to trigger the next
administration-crippling “gate,” these analyses have largely ignored one of the most surprising
aspects of this entire episode—that the IRS was actually trying to do its job.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....+Beast+-+Politics%29


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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"The IRS Had the Right Idea"
Former NPR CEO Ken Stern




http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....+Beast+-+Politics%29


See Boxy, again you just don't get it.

The IRS admitted it targeted Conservative groups.

You can't spin it because they admitted it.





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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See Boxy, again you just don't get it.

The IRS admitted it targeted Conservative groups.

You can't spin it because they admitted it.



Don't you get it?  Profiling, targeting, and discrimination is ok when it's political.  This is a case where targeting certain groups is ok to a liberal.  But...if you ask a voter for an ID to prove they are a legal voter - THEY WILL GO APE sh*t AND SCREAM DISCRIMINATION!  


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Read the link:

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As it has now been widely reported, the definition of “social welfare” organizations has
historically meant civic leagues, employee organizations, or issue groups such as the Sierra Club,
groups that have little in common with the plainly political and electoral goals of the Tea Party
Movement and Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS. Congress long ago created a category for politically
oriented groups under code provision 527. Just as with 501(c)(4) groups, political groups organized
under Section 527 are tax-exempt, but unlike 501(c)(4) nonprofits, these groups have significant
transparency and disclosure requirements. The Citizens United decision engendered a land rush
for these groups seeking nonprofit status as 501(c)(4) organizations, with the sole purpose of
avoiding the congressionally mandated donor-disclosure requirements of Section 527.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Read the link:



You can dispute the law all you want.  That's a separate argument.  This is about the selective targeting and discriminatory way the IRS choose to regulate these groups.

I don't understand how you continue to miss that point.(well, yes I can, your authoritarian streak gets the best of you when your party is in power)


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the IRS inspector general who conducted the investigation into those abuses,
J. Russell George, told congressional hearings over the past week that his
audit uncovered no evidence that partisanship had fueled the abuses, or that
any outside official directed IRS officials to target conservative groups
.


President George W. Bush, nominated and the United States Senate confirmed J. Russell George
in November 2004, as the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. Prior to assuming this role,
Mr. George served as the Inspector General of the Corporation for National and Community Service,
having been nominated to that position by President Bush and confirmed by the Senate in 2002

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The clearly inept performances by former commissioners Steven Miller and Douglas Shulman,
both of whom denied having any prior knowledge of the abuses of conservatives, and failed to act
on any preliminary indication of the misconduct that crossed their desk.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Lol!!

Look, they are invoking GWB to provide cover for Obama's abuses or incompetence.  GWB has multiple rhetorical uses for the lefties.  The left who called GWB the most corrupt and incompetent president, suddenly people appointed by his corrupt administration are the voices of sound reason.

Hey, Tea Party groups have no love for Bush.  I don't think that dogs gonna hunt.


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First Lady Michelle Obama briefly dated Inspector General whose audit set off IRS investigation:

The future First Lady, then known as Michelle Robinson, reportedly dated J. Russell George, the current IRS top watchdog responsible for investigating the widening trouble at the tax agency, while the two were at Harvard Law School in the 1980s, the National Journal reported.


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Lol!!

Look, they are invoking GWB to provide cover for Obama's abuses or incompetence.  GWB has multiple rhetorical uses for the lefties.  The left who called GWB the most corrupt and incompetent president, suddenly people appointed by his corrupt administration are the voices of sound reason.

Hey, Tea Party groups have no love for Bush.  I don't think that dogs gonna hunt.


Remember the Benghazi scandal?

Remember the Birth Certificate?

Remember Rev Wright?

Remember Fast & Furious?

Remember the last 100 or so invented scandals?

Why is it every time the Republicans invent a scandal, their polls drop (as Obama's rise)



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Remember the Benghazi scandal?

Remember the Birth Certificate?

Remember Rev Wright?

Remember Fast & Furious?

Remember the last 100 or so invented scandals?

Why is it every time the Republicans invent a scandal, their polls drop (as Obama's rise)


You forgot the AP scandal.  Not sure if the press can run interference much longer.  They are beginning to defect.  They can only lose credibility for so long.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Why has Lois Lerner been out on administrative leave and the IRS commissioner fired if they did nothing wrong?


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Red Herring?


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