~ Abortion: Can a woman abort a fetus and if so, up to what stage of development?
Liberals – Currently, there is no way to know when a fetus/zygote becomes a person with the same moral weight as a “post-uterine” individual. In the absence of anything more solid than, “That’s how I feel about it,” liberals are willing to let the choice belong to the woman up to the point of viability. No one is comfortable with a 30 week abortion except under dire circumstances.
Conservatives – Not only have they declared that a single celled zygote is the same as a 10 year old child but have tried to pass laws to allow civilians to kill abortion providers and arrest women suspected of trying to induce a miscarriage.
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
~ Religion in school – Should religion be promoted in school through teacher-led prayer and religious iconography or should schools be “religion neutral?”
Liberals – They would prefer to keep religion out of schools so no one religion is promoted over others in a country with literally hundreds of different faiths and sects (or none at all). This way, no one is ostracized or pressured.
Conservatives – They want Christianity, only Christianity and a particular brand of Christianity (No Catholics or Mormons!) taught in schools. At the same time, they do not want objective and verifiable science taught because it runs counter their very specific brand of fundamentalist Christianity. No evolution and no six billion year old Earth.
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
~ Banning religion – Should the United States pass laws against unpopular religions in direct contradiction of the First Amendment?
Liberals - Militant atheists, not all of whom are liberals, talk about banning religion but they are a minority and no lawmaker has tried to seriously do this.
Conservatives – Conservatives talk about banning Islam all the time and have passed several “anti-Sharia” laws.
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
~ Guns – Does society have the right to limit certain kinds of firearms and accessories like semi-automatic assault rifles, extended clips and fully-automatic machine guns while requiring all purchases of guns to be subjected to a background check to weed out criminals, the mentally ill, potential terrorists, etc.?
Liberals - Militant gun control proponents would like to ban all guns like many other industrialized countries have done with no ill effect. They are a minority and no lawmaker has tried to seriously do this. Liberals, in general, believe that background checks will reduce gun crime and banning certain kinds of guns and accessories will reduce, but not eliminate, the ability of killers to commit mass murder.
Conservatives – They have suppressed gun control laws so much that anyone can buy almost any gun at anytime with no oversight whatsoever and want to continue to do so. Conservative lawmakers have pushed laws to allow guns in churches, pre-schools and bars that serve alcohol. Some towns have mandated that every household MUST have a gun. They even want people just released from mental health facilities to immediately be able to buy a gun as well as convicted violent felons. They believe more guns make them safer in direct contradiction to evidence that show states flooded with guns have a high level of gun violence.
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Marriage – Can the definition of marriage be expanded to include homosexuals?
Liberals – Considering marriage used to be prohibited between blacks and whites and nothing bad happened when we changed it, liberals would like for people to be able to marry the person they love regardless of their sex.
Conservatives – They insist that marriage has remained unchanged for centuries despite all evidence to the contrary. They also insist that same sex marriage is no different than bestiality and pedophilia despite it being between two consenting adults.
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
~ Taxes – How should the broken tax code be fixed?
Liberals – We want tax loopholes closed for the rich and corporations and for them to pay what they actually owe. Hiding money in tax havens should be aggressively discouraged with confiscation and jail time (just like the rest if us face when we dodge our taxes). A modest tax hike on billionaires wouldn’t be so bad, either but not terribly necessary if the previous steps are taken.
Conservatives – They want to pay no taxes at all (but not a penny to be taken from their Social Security and Medicare) because they’ve been taxed enough already despite having lower taxes than at any point in the last 30 years..
Who is more extreme?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You listed only the "social" sides of both political categories...
True Fiscal conservatives like myself do not necessarily adhere to any of the"conservative" beliefs you list in this thread.
A social moderate/fiscal conservative has no political party, IMHO. I can't join the 'pub ranks because I do not agree with any of the religious right platform, and I can't be a DEM because I don't believe in kicking the fiscal can down the road...
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
~ Abortion: Can a woman abort a fetus and if so, up to what stage of development?
Liberals – Currently, there is no way to know when a fetus/zygote becomes a person with the same moral weight as a “post-uterine” individual. In the absence of anything more solid than, “That’s how I feel about it,” liberals are willing to let the choice belong to the woman up to the point of viability. No one is comfortable with a 30 week abortion except under dire circumstances.
Conservatives – Not only have they declared that a single celled zygote is the same as a 10 year old child but have tried to pass laws to allow civilians to kill abortion providers and arrest women suspected of trying to induce a miscarriage.
Who is more extreme?
Valuing life is an extreme position ????????????? It is likely then that you think the abolitionists who were anti-slave were too extreme and that those who opposed Hitler's "final solution" were too extreme.
And your statement that pro-lifers want laws to allow them to kill abortion providers is a complete lie. I have heard the litany of extremist liberal lies from the mouths politicians at the national, state and local level. They want us to think that killing a baby in the womb is a "choice."
The real choice is at election time and actually begins now -- no more supporting ANY candidate who is not pro-life .. no more support of any kind to those who support (or who just stand passively by) as the agenda of death is expanded and expanded in this country. But don't stop at not supporting them -- call them out on their pro-death positions, publicly expose the lies they are spouting on the subject and actively recruiting and supporting PRO-LIFE candidates who will run and sweep EVERY pro-death elected official from office and EVERY "on the fence" wimp who claims to be privately opposed but publicly they can't do anything.
Defending ALL human life from conception to natural death is THE most important Civil Rights fight left to be fought.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Defending ALL human life from conception to natural death is THE most important Civil Rights fight left to be fought.
From Conception??? ~A blob of human tissue, almost invisible is the exact same thing as a human being? I think not. According to some anti choice nazis... these are exactly equal. Not what 'will be' a human being, but exactly equal, with the same right to life, same value, same in every way... exactly in every way equal. If one were to live and one were to die, they would be exactly equal! Both are 'human life'.
~ All human life??? Fat cells, sucked out of someones obese @ss during liposuction, is "human life"... Skin cells removed in cosmetic surgery... is "human life? An appendectomy is killing "human life".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
From Conception??? ~A blob of human tissue, almost invisible is the exact same thing as a human being? I think not. According to some anti choice nazis... these are exactly equal. Not what 'will be' a human being, but exactly equal, with the same right to life, same value, same in every way... exactly in every way equal. If one were to live and one were to die, they would be exactly equal! Both are 'human life'.
~ All human life??? Fat cells, sucked out of someones obese @ss during liposuction, is "human life"... Skin cells removed in cosmetic surgery... is "human life? An appendectomy is killing "human life".
There you go with your left wing nut idiotic comments. You and your left wing nut friends learned well from folks like Hitler and Goebbels -- you keep telling big lies over and over again hoping that eventually everyone will believe you.
Furthermore, you and your left wing nut buddies don't like it that, finally, Pro-Lifers and others who want to defend religious liberties and other liberties are standing up and pushing you folks back. And we are saying that we are NOT going to take this extreme left wing bull sh*t anymore. We are not going to let you kill innocent babies, trash the moral fiber of our society, poison the minds of our children in public schools, hand cuff our religious rights and otherwise continue to implement your Anti-American, Anti-Liberty agenda. The "silent majority" has woken up and will fight to take back this country.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Like i said....................GOD will be the judge and jury when we die.....IF THERE IS A GOD!
GOD will let all those with the blood of HIS innocent creation on their hands if it wasn't HIS human life!!
You either obey GOD'S law (if there is a GOD) or you obey man's law!
THAT is everyone's CHOICE!! And everyone will know if they have chosen wisely!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
There you go with your left wing nut idiotic comments. You and your left wing nut friends learned well from folks like Hitler and Goebbels -- you keep telling big lies over and over again hoping that eventually everyone will believe you. Furthermore, you and your left wing nut buddies don't like it that, finally, Pro-Lifers and others who want to defend religious liberties and other liberties are standing up and pushing you folks back. And we are saying that we are NOT going to take this extreme left wing bull sh*t anymore. We are not going to let you kill innocent babies, trash the moral fiber of our society, poison the minds of our children in public schools, hand cuff our religious rights and otherwise continue to implement your Anti-American, Anti-Liberty agenda.
The "silent majority" has woken up and will fight to take back this country.
DVOR loves a good rant!
Lets look at the last line of the rant: The "silent majority" has woken up and will fight to take back this country.
The majority of Americans are definitely Pro Choice!
52% of Americans (A MAJORITY) favor choice under all circumstances. 80% of Americans (A HUGE MAJORITY) favor choice with some limitations.
Sorry DVOR, your "Silent Majority" exists only in your imagination. America is Pro Choice.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
abortion is irrelevant organ transplants are irrelevant gun control is irrelevant war is irrelevant etc etc
Senders is irrelevant
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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