The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Read Calvin & Hobbes... the cartoon is fiction, but it often shows how a 5 or 6 year old sees the world.
Telling him NOT TO and walking away is as irresponsible as putting a kid behind the wheel of a running car and "TELLING HIM NOT TO TOUCH ANYTHING"
Did you grow up in a house with a firearm? If so what did your father or mother teach you about their guns. Did your parents ever take you out shooting when you were a kid. If you didn't then maybe you just don't know the responsibility that comes with it and it is a big responsibility. I don't think we will see eye to eye on what age a kid can handle a firearm but I'm sure we could agree on many safety precautions and gun safety tips, if you want to start a thread on gun safety I would be more then glad to participate.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Did you grow up in a house with a firearm? If so what did your father or mother teach you about their guns. Did your parents ever take you out shooting when you were a kid. If you didn't then maybe you just don't know the responsibility that comes with it and it is a big responsibility. I don't think we will see eye to eye on what age a kid can handle a firearm but I'm sure we could agree on many safety precautions and gun safety tips, if you want to start a thread on gun safety I would be more then glad to participate.
I have had guns of my own since I was 15. I shot at a USMC rifle range when I was 14 or 15.
I've fired a vast variety of weapons in my lifetime. I lived with a weapon at my side (usually loaded) for 13 months straight. I know what kind of accidents can happen when grown men, men who've been well trained to use weapons. If responsible adults can have accidental discharges when using weapons, why do you assume that children will somehow be safe, without that rigorous training.
You really surprise me posting on a thread that has a 5 year old shooting his sister, and you seem to think... Someone should have told him not to... as if that would have solved the issue.
I have no problem with kids shooting at a range BY A QUALIFIED INSTRUCTOR... WHO HAS BEEN TRAINED AT TEACHING KIDS. A 5 year old going plinking with dad or an uncle, is a recipe for disaster.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A 5 year old going plinking with dad or an uncle, is a recipe for disaster.
OK that's your opinion but your opinion isn't going to stop it from happening, since it is happening safety should be the #1 goal would you agree?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
When in the Marines as we moved to the Rifle Range to qualify, the drill sgt asked us to fall out if we had never fired a weapon before. Then he told anyone who has ever shot on a competition team to fall out with those who've never shot a weapon. He then said... From this group will come our best shooters. Most of the time, they will all qualify.
To those who've hunted, or fired guns before or who've gone plinking with our dad or our uncle... that group will shoot the lowest score and some will not qualify.
He was right. Everyone of the first group qualified well... most scored above the deer hunters, the plinkers those familiar with guns but not professionally trained.
Those who had shot weapons before (like me) had to unlearn our bad gun habits before we started to progress. Shooting a thousand rounds doesn't make you safe. In fact with out proper instruction, it makes you more dangerous.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box you don't need military or police training to be safe or a marksman, I have personally outshot cops and those who served at the range and I fired high powered leagues to 1000 yard shoots, practice is the key and safety as I said before comes 1st, I'm incident free so far after all these years and tens of thousands of rounds downrange.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Box you don't need military or police training to be safe or a marksman, I have personally outshot cops and those who served at the range and I fired high powered leagues to 1000 yard shoots, practice is the key and safety as I said before comes 1st, I'm incident free so far after all these years and tens of thousands of rounds downrange.
Incident free? So was the jerk that bought a 5 year old a .22. He didn't have any "incidents".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ky. child shooting part of urban-rural gun debate Published - May 02 2013 03:58AM EST
DYLAN LOVAN, Associated Press
A home in Cumberland County, Ky, is seen on May 1, 2013, where a 2-year-old girl was shot by her 5-year-old brother with a gun designed for... (The Associated Press)
A home in Cumberland County, Ky, is seen on May 1, 2013, where a 2-year-old girl was shot by her 5-year-old brother with a gun designed for children. Investigators say the Tuesday shooting was accidental. The children's mother was home at the time of the shooting Tuesday afternoon but had stepped out to the front porch for a few minutes and "she heard the gun go off," Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said. He said the rifle was kept in a corner and the family didn't realize a bullet was left inside it.(AP Photo/Dylan Lovan) BURKESVILLE, Ky. (AP) — As Stephanie Sparks cleaned the kitchen, her 5-year-old son, Kristian, began playing with a rifle he was given last year. She stepped out onto the front porch, poured grease out of a frying pan for the dogs and "heard the gun go off," a Kentucky coroner said.
Authorities said the boy had fatally shot his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, in the chest.
In rural southern Kentucky, far removed from the national debate over gun control, where some children get their first guns even before they start first grade, the accident stunned the community.
Kristian's rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn't realize a bullet had been left in it, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said.
"Down in Kentucky where we're from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation," White said. "You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything."
What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is "that a kid would get shot with it."
In this case, the rifle was made by a company that sells guns specifically for children — "My first rifle" is the slogan — in colors ranging from plain brown to hot pink to royal blue to multi-color swirls.
"It's a normal way of life, and it's not just rural Kentucky, it's rural America — hunting and shooting and sport fishing. It starts at an early age," Cumberland County Judge Executive John Phelps said. "There's probably not a household in this county that doesn't have a gun."
In Cumberland County, as elsewhere in Kentucky, local newspapers feature photos of children proudly displaying their kills, including turkey and deer. Even one of the latest reality shows on CMT, "Guntucky," features a family-owned gun range in Kentucky. The range, Knob Creek, says on its website that it is as a safe place for youngsters to learn about firearms and offers family memberships.
Ruby Wright, who teaches hunter safety classes in Burkesville, said children younger than 9 can sit in, but they can't get certification. She also coaches 4-H shooting sports, requiring those children to be 9 as well.
Phelps, who is much like a mayor in these parts, said it had been four or five years since there had been a shooting death in the county, which lies along the Cumberland River near the Tennessee state line.
"The whole town is heartbroken," Phelps said of Burkesville, a farming community of 1,800 about 90 miles northeast of Nashville, Tenn. "This was a total shock. This was totally unexpected."
Phelps said he knew the family well. He said the father, Chris Sparks, works as a logger at a mill and also shoes horses.
The family lives in a gray mobile home on a long, winding road, surrounded by rolling hills and farmland that's been in the family since the 1930s. Toys, including a small truck and a basketball goal, were on the front porch, but no one was home Wednesday.
There's a house across the street, but the next-closest neighbor lives over a hill.
Family friend Logan Wells said he received a frantic call telling him that the little girl was in an accident and to come quickly.
When he got to the hospital, Caroline was already dead. "She passed just when I got there," Wells said.
White said the shooting had been ruled accidental, though a police spokesman said it was unclear whether any charges will be filed.
"I think it's too early to say whether there will or won't be," Trooper Billy Gregory said.
White said the boy received the .22-caliber rifle as a gift, but it wasn't clear who gave him the gun, which is known as a Crickett.
"It's a little rifle for a kid. ... The little boy's used to shooting the little gun," White said.
The company that makes the rifle, Milton, Pa.-based Keystone Sporting Arms, has a "Kids Corner" on its website with pictures of young boys and girls at shooting ranges and on bird and deer hunts. It says the company produced 60,000 Crickett and Chipmunk rifles for kids in 2008. The smaller rifles are sold with a mount to use at a shooting range.
Keystone also makes guns for adults, but most of its products are geared toward children, including books, hats and bright orange vests.
"The goal of KSA is to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve," the website said.
No one at the company answered the phone Wednesday.
According to the website, company founders Bill McNeal and his son Steve McNeal decided to make guns for young shooters in the mid-1990s and opened Keystone in 1996 with just four employees, producing 4,000 rifles that year. It now employs about 70 people.
It also has a long list of testimonials from parents who talk about how grateful they are to be able to go shooting with their children. All of the guns have safety locks, and some even have ones that require a key.
Police did not release the model of the rifle Kristian had.
Sharon Rengers, a longtime child advocate at Kosair Children's Hospital in Louisville, said making and marketing weapons specifically for children was "mind-boggling."
"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"
State Rep. Robert R. Damron, a Democrat and an outspoken gun rights advocate in Kentucky, said the problem is not guns, but the parents who do not teach gun safety and responsibility.
"Why single out firearms? Why not talk about all the other things that endanger children, too?" he said. "The Second Amendment doesn't give anybody carte blanche freedom to put children and juveniles at risk."
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Incident free? So was the jerk that bought a 5 year old a .22. He didn't have any "incidents".
They were idiots not to check to make sure it was unloaded but the kids age has nothing to do with it, who knows how the parents taught the kid gun safety if they did at all. 99% of accidental gun deaths could be avoided by following simple safety precautions, the other 1% like a gun malfunction or a hot load can't be stopped. But as I said age or service doesn't matter, stupidity is what kills.
A 21-year-old soldier has died in a shooting incident at a military training ground.
Fusilier Dean Griffiths, from 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh regiment, was fatally injured at Lydd Ranges near Romney Marsh in Kent.
Family and colleagues paid tribute to Fusilier Griffiths, from Market Drayton in Shropshire, who it emerged was to become a father.
His brother Dewi said: "Dean was fun, loving and caring - and was so excited at becoming a father.
"He touched the lives of so many, and we will all miss our Deano. We ask that we are given time to grieve."
His death is being investigated by the police, along with the Army and Health & Safety Executive.
The accident follows that of a 20-year-old soldier who was shot during an exercise at Lydd Ranges in November 2006.
Guardsman Ian Wright, who served with 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards, was killed by a single gunshot wound to the head.
The ranges, which are 15 miles south of Ashford, have been used for military training for more than 150 years, according to the MOD.
They are situated on the reclaimed lands of the historic Romney Marsh, estimated to be between 3,000 and 5,000 years old.
The ranges are used for live firing with a danger area extending out to sea.
Red flags are flown during firing, when access is banned along the foreshore and Galloway's Road. Recommended Stories
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Guns For Toddlers! Be the first GunHugger on your block to bring home a lethal gun for your pre schoolers!
Aren't they just adorable!!!
Don't let the other kids on your block bully your preschooler... pack their bag with snacks, a "cricket" and plenty of ammo! (Bandages and tourniquet kit, $29.95 extra)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Guns For Toddlers! Be the first GunHugger on your block to bring home a lethal gun for your pre schoolers!
Aren't they just adorable!!!
Don't let the other kids on your block bully your preschooler... pack their bag with snacks, a "cricket" and plenty of ammo! (Bandages and tourniquet kit, $29.95 extra)
It is amazing how unregulated freedom makes "you" go ballistic.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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