The 4th amendment is very clear and to the point about peoples property, the only "but" in that amendment is with a warrant with probable cause so don't give me some bs excuse to what happened.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Henry, The authorities were searching for a KILLER that had WEAPONS and EXPLOSIVES and not only KILLED AT THE MARATHON but killed again that morning; took a hostage (car jacking) and when he escaped he RAN OVER HIS BROTHER!!! He was ARMED AND DANGEROUS TO ALL! I have not found a single complaint or even a grumble from any of those you call victims, because they were confined to their houses and were subject to searches, etc. If they aren't upset and complained, why are you? It was their lives, not yours. And tell me, how should the authorities have proceeded under the conditions that they were presented with....how should they have found the killer and protected the citizens at the same time....what is you suggestion on what should have been done, since what was done is a violation in your way of thinking.
Please how many murders take place everyday where a heavily armed person is on the run, it makes no difference. As I said those who were ok with giving up their rights is ok with me but they do not have the right to make me give up mine or anybody elses rights. What if someone refused entry to those officers, the way it sounds is if you and box would be ok with them using lethal force against them for that.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Please how many murders take place everyday where a heavily armed person is on the run, it makes no difference. As I said those who were ok with giving up their rights is ok with me but they do not have the right to make me give up mine or anybody elses rights. What if someone refused entry to those officers, the way it sounds is if you and box would be ok with them using lethal force against them for that.
You didn't read anything about me condoning lethal force, so don't speak for me. And I still didn't read your perfect solution that would have given the needed results....how should it have been handled? Complaining about rights being violated, is fine...so offer a solution that would not have infringed on anyone's rights.
PS - Everyday murderers on the run is not even a close correlation to the atrocities of the bombing, so that is a poor analogy....sorry!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
You didn't read anything about me condoning lethal force, so don't speak for me. And I still didn't read your perfect solution that would have given the needed results....how should it have been handled? Complaining about rights being violated, is fine...so offer a solution that would not have infringed on anyone's rights. !
Treat it like they would any other case, remember in the end all the lockdowns and illegal searches didn't find the suspect, it was a civilian going outside for a cigarette that caught him. If that guy obeyed the cops rules and stayed indoors they might of not found the suspect and maybe more people would have been harmed.
PS - Everyday murderers on the run is not even a close correlation to the atrocities of the bombing, so that is a poor analogy....sorry!
I disagree, the fugitives are both on the run and would probably do anything to escape, that makes them equally dangerous, how many they killed doesn't matter, they are on the run for the same crime and equal force should be used for both.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Nowhere in the US Legal definition is Cicero's made up definition... "To change policy" no surprise there!
Box, you posted it in your legal definition - Politically motivated.
Duhhhh...here's some help.
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political adj 1 of or relating to the state, government, the body politic, public administration, policy-making, etc. 2 a of, involved in, or relating to government policy-making as distinguished from administration or law b of or relating to the civil aspects of government as distinguished from the military 3 of, dealing with, or relating to politics a political person 4 of, characteristic of, or relating to the parties and the partisan aspects of politics 5 organized or ordered with respect to government a political unit ♦ politically adv
Treat it like they would any other case, remember in the end all the lockdowns and illegal searches didn't find the suspect, it was a civilian going outside for a cigarette that caught him. If that guy obeyed the cops rules and stayed indoors they might of not found the suspect and maybe more people would have been harmed.
I disagree, the fugitives are both on the run and would probably do anything to escape, that makes them equally dangerous, how many they killed doesn't matter, they are on the run for the same crime and equal force should be used for both.
1st point.....Went outside AFTER THE LOCKDOWN WAS LIFTED! So he did conform to the request!
2nd point....we disagree...I can't accept the two as equal comparisons
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
1st point.....Went outside AFTER THE LOCKDOWN WAS LIFTED! So he did conform to the request!
2nd point....we disagree...I can't accept the two as equal comparisons
1- I heard different but either way it was a citizen who found him, point was all that police state crap didn't find him.
2- That's fine I just see death as death, how it was performed makes no difference if it was murder. Their motives makes no difference if their actions end up with the same outcome, 3 people blown up or 3 people getting gunned down in a drive by, charge them and treat them the same.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
1- I heard different but either way it was a citizen who found him, point was all that police state crap didn't find him.
Not sure where you heard that, but the guy himself said that in interview on TV last night. He also said it was false that he saw blood on his boat cover...he saw something out of the ordinary with the cover toward the engine (I believe that's what he said). He looked in the boat and saw "a lot of blood" and what he thought was a body.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Was Boston Bomber Radicalized at U.S.-Sponsored Workshop? Posted on April 24, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog Who Radicalized the Boston Bomber?
Just as the U.S. supported Bin Laden and the precursor of Al Qaeda in order to fight the Soviets, the U.S. has supported Chechen terrorists in order to fight Russia.
Today, Russian newspaper Izvestia alleges that the older Boston bombing brother attended a workshop – sponsored by an American organization – on destabilizing the Russian satellite states:
At the disposal of “Izvestia” has documents Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia, confirming that the Georgian organization “Fund of Caucasus” [here's their website], which cooperates with the U.S. non-profit organization “Jamestown” (the board of directors of NGOs previously entered one of the ideologists of U.S. foreign policy, Zbigniew Brzezinski), was engaged in recruiting residents North Caucasus to work in the interests of the United States and Georgia.
According to the reports of Colonel Chief Directorate Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia Gregory Chanturia to the Minister of Internal Affairs Irakli Garibashvili, “Caucasian fund” in cooperation with the Foundation “Jamestown” in the summer of 2012 conducted workshops and seminars for young people of the Caucasus, including its Russian part. Some of them attended Tsarnaev Tamerlane, who was in Russia from January to July 2012.
“Caucasian fund” writes Tchanturia was established November 7, 2008, just after the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, “to control the processes taking place in the North Caucasus region.” Accordingly, the Department of the Interior Ministry counterintelligence case was brought intelligence operations called “DTV”. Main purpose is to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.
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In addition, Colonel counterintelligence Tbilisi reports that security forces in Chechnya through Georgia “Caucasian fund” and fund “Jamestown” are sympathetic to the Georgian people, who are invited to various events in the republic under the innocent pretexts. In these seminars, the Russians are recruiting and preparing acts of terrorism.
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Director General of the National Strategy Council Valery Hamsters argues that exaggerated the force of external enemy in Georgia may be beneficial to the management of the North Caucasian republics. [In other words, they are creating a strategy of tension.]
- I think the danger is exaggerated Georgian factor – the expert believes. – Personally, I have no doubt that Georgia only deals with the introduction of its spies and recruit Russian citizens.
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Jamestown Foundation has repeatedly demonstrated its interest in Georgia and the state of affairs in Russia’s North Caucasus. In 2007, the Foundation held a seminar “The Future of Ingushetia,” which was attended by former fighters of Aslan Maskhadov.
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The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly responded to the ongoing policy of the fund, handing over a protest note to U.S. in Moscow.
Izvestia – being a Russian state-run newspaper – obviously has an axe to grind, and is biased against Georgian interests. However, the Russian government contracted the U.S. multiple times to warn them about Tamerlan Tsarnaev … who was on a U.S. watch list for terrorism.
The sponsor of the seminar – the Jamestown Foundation – was founded with help from CIA director William Casey, has extensive links to U.S. intelligence and defense agencies, and is closely connected with key Neocons.
Former board member Zbigniew Brzezinski – a former National Security Adviser – admits that he created the organization which later became Al Qaeda in order to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
As tens of thousands of members of the public have come out to show support for the alleged Boston Bomber as continues to mount the suspects were being handled by the FBI in a terror plot they failed to foil.
At the center of the effort are calls to have the United States government investigated for the role it is suspected in playing in the Boston Bombings.
In all over 15,000 people have joined the Facebook page calling for alleged bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be released and thousands more have signing an online petition to the White House web page along with numerous other petitions, events and campaigns created in his support.
As more people turn to media sources outside of the control of the federal government the more steam the effort will gain.
In fact, even members of the government are openly calling for an investigation to government’s involvement in the bombings and not only pointing out on the record but to media as well. http://beforeitsnews.com/terro.....esm-publisher_static
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Here's a little history on the boy's uncle (Rusian Tsarni) that the LAMESTREAMMEDIA interviewd....Ya know the uncle that called his nephew's losers?....well here ya go.........
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That’s according to Ruslan Tsarni. Who is he? He’s a Big Oil exec caught up in a money laundering scheme and a former contractor for USAID… a CIA front organization.
Honestly, you can’t make this up even if you tried.
The “western company” used to launder the money which the Sunday Times referred to is Big Sky Energy Corporation, where Ruslan Tsarni was a top executive.
Big Sky, which used to be known as China Energy Ventures Corp, is a now-bankrupt US oil company run by S.A. (Al) Sehsuvaroglu, a long-time executive of Halliburton, which had oil leases in Kakakhstan’s Caspian Basin. Tsarni was Big Sky’s Corporate Secretary and Vice President for Business Development. He joined Big Sky in 2005.” ““From 1994 to 1996, Mr. Tsarni served as a consultant contracted by USAID for projects aimed to develop securities markets in Central Asia, where he trained corporate governance and corporate finance principals in state and private companies.” Mad Cow These claims are well supported with facts from various insider publications (H/T Democratic Underground)…
“Big Sky Energy Corp. named Bruce H. Gaston CFO of the company, which is currently operating in Kazakhstan’s pre-Caspian basin. Gaston replaces Tom Milne, who will remain at Big Sky as a director of the corporation. Gaston has nearly 20 years’ experience with a background in Eurasia, and most recently worked with Deutsche Morgan Grenfell in London and Tokyo. He has been a finance and risk management consultant, a director of Deloitte & Touche Central Asia, and has considerable experience in risk management in global markets. Gaston received his BA from the University of New Brunswick and an MSc in economics from the University of London. Ruslan Z. Tsarni also joins Big Sky’s management team as vice president, business development and corporate secretary. Tsarni has 10 years of experience in oil and gas legislation and corporate law. His most recent position was that of corporate counsel of Nelson Resources Limited Group, while serving as managing director of many of its subsidiaries. Tsarni has counseled multinational companies on various facets of Kazakhstan legal issues.” Oil Gas Financial Journal
“Mr. Ruslan Z. Tsarni, a U.S. citizen, has over 10 years of professional experience in oil and gas legislation and corporate law. Previously, Mr. Tsarni served as Corporate Counsel of Nelson Resources Limited Group of companies, as well as Managing Director of several of its operating subsidiaries, responsible for all matters relating to corporate governance and placements and filing requirements under the securities regulations of Toronto Stock Exchange and AIM. He worked with financial institutions and banks on raising funds for acquisition and development of the assets operated by Nelson’s subsidiaries, as well as managed legal and administrative matters for all such subsidiaries. From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Tsarni worked as Head of Legal Affairs of Golden Eagle Partners LLC where he developed downstream and upstream oil and gas businesses in Kazakhstan and served as Managing Director of its wholly owned subsidiary Tobe LLP.
From 1998 to 1999 Mr. Tsarni worked as Senior Associate with Salans Hertzfeld & Heilbronn providing legal advise to major multinational companies on different aspects of Kazakhstan legal issues on development of mineral resources, corporations, taxation, currency, customs, employment, banking, bankruptcy and trade marks. From 1994 to 1996, Mr. Tsarni served as a consultant for Financial Markets International LLC and Arthur Andersen LLP contracted by USAID for projects aimed to develop securities markets in Central Asia, where he trained corporate governance and corporate finance principals to state and private companies.” Brand Edgar Online
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Box, you posted it in your legal definition - Politically motivated. Duhhhh...here's some help.
Duhhhh is right. Q. Did the definition that is the law of the land say anything about "CHANGING POLICY"? A. NOPE! Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d) A political motivation may also include a policy change, but not necessarily so. I'm sorry that the LAW as written doesn't agree with your agenda. If you want to change the LAW (since you've often posted you believe in the 'rule of law') then you should start voting and electing like minded politicians or petition your elected officials to change the law. Till then... you are stuck with the very specific LEGAL definition, not your opinion.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Here's a little history on the boy's uncle (Rusian Tsarni) that the LAMESTREAMMEDIA interviewd....Ya know the uncle that called his nephew's losers?....well here ya go.........
Bumbler's hate of the Lame Stream Media (the legitimate press) is well known on this board. So, who does Bumbler go to for his news??? Who tells Bumbler what to post? Who inspires his posts??? For the answer, just read the "about" section of his link... It explains a lot. About: American Everyman was started in June of 2007 by me, Scott Creighton, as an on-line diary more than anything else, but as time went on it became an expression of change. My change.
It’s a collection of theories, writing, news, rants, doodles, and just jumbled up words stuck on a page floating in an eternity of “1″s and “0″s. I focus on exploring the truth about what happened on Sept. 11th 2001, the plight of the Palestinian people, and the ever quickening tide of globalization (New World Order) in America.
"If all you read is Right Wing Crazy BS, all you'll know is Right Wing Crazy BS"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Duhhhh is right. Q. Did the definition that is the law of the land say anything about "CHANGING POLICY"? A. NOPE! Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d) A political motivation may also include a policy change, but not necessarily so.
Box posts legal definition.
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The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.
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political adj 1 of or relating to the state, government, the body politic, public administration, policy-making, etc. 2 a of, involved in, or relating to government policy-making as distinguished from administration or law
When you say it is not necessarily to change policy, are you suggesting that their premeditated and political motivations are to SUPPORT the policy makers?
I looked at the law and the definition of "terrorism" under the law it clearly states politically motivated. Nowhere does it say "not necessarily policy change". I'd like to hear how "politically motivated" doesn't necessarily mean policy change.
Box is making another feeble attempt to play a game of semantics and is trying to redefine political right before our eyes.
The FACT remains, these "terrorists" as he likes to label them, have never publicized their "political motivation" for the premeditated bombing. Maybe they did it to show their support for U.S. policy, and even if they did, that would mean they have to publically announce it. Otherwise, blowing up a bomb to kill non combatants with no stated political motivation doesn't fit the legal definition of "terrorism".
So is it possible that "POLICY CHANGE" is PART of the definition? Yes it's possible, but not necessarily so. Policy Change is not absolutely necessary for there to be Terrorism.
The motivation could be REVENGE, not POLICY CHANGE. The motivation could be economic gain (blowing up an oil field increases the price of oil). The motivation could be Religious fanaticism, (Killing the infidels) not POLICY CHANGE. And... The motivation could actually be for POLICY CHANGE... but not necessarily so.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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