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Box A Rox
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, in your case I can supply the FACTS
but can't make you learn. A simple google search will give many stories of staged FBI terror
attacks. Your lame attempt to act if it doesn't happen makes you look like an idiot.


I question one word in your post... FACTS!  What you consider FACT is far different than what
I would call a FACT.
When I google posts of alien abduction, the results are presented as FACT.  
Many of your posts are full of your FACTS that simply are not true.

I understand that the FBI has made mistakes and probably will continue to make them, as in any
police work.
I understand that in the FBI there is corruption, dishonesty and "protecting the agency", as is to
be expected with all large organizations or corporations.  I don't take their word as infallible.
I also don't take their word as you seem to do... an evil group with an agenda.

As to your point of Googling FACTS:
I googled some FACTS and here is the result:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/leeabduction.html


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Ahhhh...you can post an alternate scenario.  Even one given on FOX News.  Got it!


Yes I am open to an alternate scenario, especially one from an expert in the field.  It may or may not be true,
I have no way of knowing
Former CIA Deputy Director Phillip Mudd is not just some politician with an agenda.  As head of the CIA he
has extensive expertise in the field of terrorism.
I presented it as one point of view, which seems to be a reasonable possibility... nothing more.

Again, sorry if an alternate "REASONABLE" opinion from an expert threatens you.


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More Calls For Torture

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A New York Republican is defending his call for Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar
Tsarnaev to be tortured during the interrogation process.

State Sen. Greg Ball (R-Carmel), a potential 2014 congressional candidate, said on "Fox and
Friends" Monday morning that torture is necessary in this and other cases of terrorism to save
lives. “If getting that information, including torture, would save one innocent life, including
what we’ve seen children, would you use torture?" Ball said. "I would be first in line.”


Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/greg-ball-torture_n_3130895.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


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Holy CRAP!!!.....Bill Maher gets one right.

I would have NEVER thought I would agree with this low-life on anything unless hell froze over.

Apparently, this event must have happened....


http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/20/bill-maher-violence-islam-christianity-liberal-bullshit/

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On HBO’s “Real Time” on Friday night, host Bill Maher entertained CSU-San Bernardino professor Brian Levin, director of the Center for Study of Hate and Extremism, who maintained that despite the events in recent days, religious extremism isn’t only a product of Islam.

But Maher took issue with that claim, calling it “liberal bullshit” and said there was no comparison.

“You know what, yeah, yeah,” Maher said. “You know what — that’s liberal bullshit right there … they’re not as dangerous. I mean there’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So you know, I’m just saying let’s keep it real.”

Levin referenced outspoken Islam critic Pamela Geller as an example to refute Maher’s claim. But, Maher argued there was no comparison and denied he was Islamophobic.

“I am not an Islamophobe,” Maher replied. “I am a truth lover. All religious are not alike. As many people have pointed out — ‘The Book of Mormon,’ did you see the show? … OK, can you imagine if they did ‘The Book of Islam?’ Could they do that? There’s only one religion that threatens violence and carries it out for things like that. Could they do “The Book of Islam” on Broadway?”

Levin said “possibly so,” to which Maher seem dismiss his entire argument going forward.

“You’re wrong about that and you’re wrong about your facts,” Maher said. “Now, obviously, most Muslim people are not terrorists. But ask most Muslim people in the world, if you insult the prophet, do you have what’s coming to you? It’s more than just a fringe element.”








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Yes I am open to an alternate scenario, especially one from an expert in the field.  It may or may not be true,
I have no way of knowing
Former CIA Deputy Director Phillip Mudd is not just some politician with an agenda.  As head of the CIA he
has extensive expertise in the field of terrorism.
I presented it as one point of view, which seems to be a reasonable possibility... nothing more.

Again, sorry if an alternate "REASONABLE" opinion from an expert threatens you.


What about FBI chemist Fredrick Whitehurst that blew the whistle on the FBI because they wanted him to falsify lab results that would be used as proof that the Oklahoma City bombing was a fertilizer bomb?  Do you believe him, or does that not count?


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What about FBI chemist Fredrick Whitehurst that blew the whistle on the FBI because they wanted him to falsify lab results that would be used as proof that the Oklahoma City bombing was a fertilizer bomb?  Do you believe him, or does that not count?

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Mr. Whitehurst's testimony focused on a shredded piece of plywood recovered
two days after the bombing that the authorities believe came from the cargo container
of the Ryder truck that delivered the bomb. The debris, found in a parking lot across the
street from the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, is the only direct evidence of the
explosive used.
Mr. Whitehurst said that he saw the (ammonium nitrate) crystals through a microscope
after Mr. Burmeister discovered them but that it was impossible to say whether they
were embedded or the result of contamination.


Both FBI employees came to the same conclusion... that the crystals in the wood were
Ammonium Nitrate.  
They disagree on when and how the crystals became embedded in the wood.


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Who knows, the mother claims the FBI has been watching them for around 5 years and has told her about their suspicions, these are the types the FBI will watch and will target to get them to act.

The Boston Bombing & 2016!

Senator Lindsey Graham and Rep. Peter King start the ball rolling for the Republicans campaign in 2016:
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Obama’s successes in combating terrorism have highlighted how badly Republicans
bungled homeland security policy after 9/11. The GOP is desperate to get the perception
that they are the party of national security back, so they have to find some way to paint
President Obama as a failure on the issue. Obviously, Graham and King think they can
accomplish this by blaming the FBI.

King, Graham, and other Republicans are trying to revive the politics of fear. This is why
they are going to use an investigation of the FBI as their method of attack against President
Obama. It is all about laying the groundwork for 2016. If you thought the Republican behavior
after Benghazi was bad, their desperate fishing expedition on Boston could be even worse.


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Ummm, box I gave examples from both democratic and republican administrations, I told you the FBI has been staging these stings since the first WTC bombing. I'm not playing politics with this even if those scumbags are.


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You don't need a 600 hp  Corvette to go to the store either.





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Ummm, box I gave examples from both democratic and republican administrations, I told you the FBI has been staging these stings since the first WTC bombing. I'm not playing politics with this even if those scumbags are.


I've read of many sting operations.  The FBI discovers a crime... say illegal gun running.  They pose
as customers, buy guns and work their way up to the suppliers, thus apprehending as many criminals
as possible.
On rare occasions, those operations go wrong, but mostly they are successful.

The FBI also infiltrates Hate Groups... Right Wing Militia Racist Skinheads, or
Muslim Extremists for example.
They pose as members to gain access to the leaders of the operation.   Without infiltrating the
group, the first time the FBI would hear of the group is AFTER the crime.

I know you see the FBI as the enemy... you consider them terrorists and even worse than Al Qaeda.

There have been relatively few successful terrorist attacks on US soil since 911.  The FBI's success
is the reason behind that fact.


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There have been relatively few successful terrorist attacks on US soil since 911.  The FBI's success
is the reason behind that fact.


Box the FBI created 95% of attacks, its not a conspiracy they openly made up the attacks and supplied the supposed explosives to these people, they did that so they can build a strong case against them but it was the FBI's terrorist attacks all along. Many of the cases the people arrested would of had no means to carry out such an attack if it wasn't for the government supplying them with the explosives. Now you are just playing dumb and it shows, the proof is right in in these threads deny it if you wish but you can not change the facts.


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Box the FBI created 95% of attacks, its not a conspiracy they openly made up the attacks and supplied the supposed explosives to these people, they did that so they can build a strong case against them but it was the FBI's terrorist attacks all along. Many of the cases the people arrested would of had no means to carry out such an attack if it wasn't for the government supplying them with the explosives. Now you are just playing dumb and it shows, the proof is right in in these threads deny it if you wish but you can not change the facts.


I'm amazed... but not surprised.  
Your hatred of your own govt is what drives your agenda, and IMO blinds you from any reasonable
views.  
You see conspiracy at every turn.  Any press release no matter how bizarre is FACT if it fits your
agenda.
There are no terrorists except your own govt.
There are no mistakes by the FBI, only intentional acts to subvert the constitution.
Everything is a conspiracy.


Read below and just consider the meaning of the word:
Paranoia:

1.  a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal
conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to
disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense
or as a mission.
2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.



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