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Box A Rox
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What gun law do you think would of stopped this man from committing murder, we already have background
checks in NY,
the man used a typical hunting shotgun.


As you posted, anyone wanting a shotgun in NY State just needs to pass a 'background check' to
purchase a shotgun.  No citizen (except felons, and the mentally unstable) is prevented from buying
his shotgun.  
Felons and the mentally unstable can also legally buy a shot gun... their only restriction is that they need
to drive less than an hour into Vermont where there is no background check.

Universal background checks would prevent gun sales to criminals and the mentally ill... So why would any
one object to "Universal Background Checks"?





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As you posted, anyone wanting a shotgun in NY State just needs to pass a 'background check' to
purchase a shotgun.  No citizen (except felons, and the mentally unstable) is prevented from buying
his shotgun.  
Felons and the mentally unstable can also legally buy a shot gun... their only restriction is that they need
to drive less than an hour into Vermont where there is no background check.

Universal background checks would prevent gun sales to criminals and the mentally ill... So why would any
one object to "Universal Background Checks"?




More spin because the gun laws don't work, the answer is not more laws because they don't follow them to begin with. It's like saying well murder is illegal but if we make another law that murder with a firearm is even more illegal then maybe they won't do it, sounds stupid doesn't it but that is what you are suggesting. By the way what would stop this guy from making a zip gun, should we have background checks at Home Depot or Lowes



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Felons and the mentally unstable can also legally buy a shot gun... their only restriction is that they need to drive less than an hour into Vermont where there is no background check.

Universal background checks would prevent gun sales to criminals and the mentally ill... So why would anyone object to "Universal Background Checks"?


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By the way what would stop this guy from making a zip gun, should we have background checks at
Home Depot or Lowes



Yea, that's a big problem... home made guns are responsible for what percentage of murders???
5%?   1%???  -.0001%???


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Yea, that's a big problem... home made guns are responsible for what percentage of murders???
5%?   1%???  -.0001%???


Probably as many as those "assault" rifles....


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What gun law do you think would of stopped this man from committing murder, we already have
background checks in NY,


From today's Gazette:

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The rules were developed after Schneiderman charged 10 gun sellers with failing to run
required background checks before making sales to undercover buyers at six shows around
New York state. The buyers walked away with guns even after telling the sellers they had
orders of protection against them and couldn’t pass a background check, Schneiderman
said at the time.



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Probably as many as those "assault" rifles....


Where do I get a rifle that doesn't "assault"?


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If someone wants to buy a gun they will find a way, did the laws forbidding alcohol to be made and sold in the 20's stop alcohol consumption?? Do the strict drug laws stop the sale and manufacture of drugs?
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If someone wants to buy a gun they will find a way, did the laws forbidding alcohol to be made and sold in the 20's stop alcohol consumption?? Do the strict drug laws stop the sale and manufacture of drugs?


I suppose that is true... some one wanting a machine gun could find a way to get one.  It would be
expensive and difficult to find... but with enough money and enough time they could probably find one.

If I wanted an assault weapon, all I'd need is a few hundred dollars and a trip to a gun store or gun
show.

Likewise, if Assault Weapons were as difficult to find and as expensive to buy as machine guns,
most criminals would not bother to spend the extra money or time to acquire one.

Had Assault Weapons still been banned Adam Lanza's mom would not have bought one, and if
large capacity magazines were not available Adam would have been limited to 7 rounds per
magazines.

(One child in the Sandy Hook School shooting was shot 11 times... most were shot multiple times due
in part to large capacity magazines.)


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if 'real' background checks were to be conducted, and based on mental stability....ALL military and law enforcement folks would be banned from owning a firearm!!

they are 'trained' to be violent and to kill at will and most government issued military folks return from active duty with PTS or some form of a government created mental disorder!

better becareful what ya wish for.....disarming those 'trained to kill' will be disarmed next!!
and don't kid yourself if you think otherwise!!


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Had Assault Weapons still been banned Adam Lanza's mom would not have bought one, and if
large capacity magazines were not available Adam would have been limited to 7 rounds per
magazines.

(One child in the Sandy Hook School shooting was shot 11 times... most were shot multiple times due
in part to large capacity magazines.)


That's a fallacious argument.  You are begging the question.  You make the assumtion that if Lanza's mother didn't have an AR 15 that Adam Lanza wouldn't have committed his crime using other means.(Like a single shot rifle with ten 7 round clips)


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That's a fallacious argument.  You are begging the question.  You make the assumtion that if Lanza's mother didn't have an AR 15 that Adam Lanza wouldn't have committed his crime using other means.(Like a single shot rifle with ten 7 round clips)


Which is more deadly... an AR15 with 10, 30 round magazines?
or
A single shot same caliber rifle with 43, 7 round magazines?

The first 7 rounds would seem to be equally deadly... after that, obviously the AR15 would out
preform the single shot with 7 round magazine.

As posted above...
"One child in the Sandy Hook School shooting was shot 11 times... most were shot multiple
times due in part to large capacity magazines."

To shoot one child that many times would take 1/3rd of a 30 round magazine...
as compared to,
1 1/2 magazines of the 7 round capacity.

Obviously, if it were you being shot at in a mass shooting situation, the 7 round magazine
would be preferred.  
(Thanks for helping me make my point)



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Which is more deadly... an AR15 with 10, 30 round magazines?
or
A single shot same caliber rifle with 43, 7 round magazines?

The first 7 rounds would seem to be equally deadly... after that, obviously the AR15 would out
preform the single shot with 7 round magazine.

As posted above...
"One child in the Sandy Hook School shooting was shot 11 times... most were shot multiple
times due in part to large capacity magazines."

To shoot one child that many times would take 1/3rd of a 30 round magazine...
as compared to,
1 1/2 magazines of the 7 round capacity.

Obviously, if it were you being shot at in a mass shooting situation, the 7 round magazine
would be preferred.  
(Thanks for helping me make my point)



So you're fine with mass casualied resulting from a shooting that uses 43 seven round clips?  You won't be arguing for
a restriction on how many clips a person can own?  


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Yeah that shooter who was going to murder kids would have had to think twice b4 breaking the law by using a high capacity magazine. He would of probably said to himself "I better not go to that school and kill those kids because if they catch me with that high capacity magazine then I may get arrested."


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Adam Lanza, fired a total of 152 bullets in less than 5 minutes, killing 20 young children and 6
adults. Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and had 30-round magazines. He only
needed to reload his weapon four times before killing himself with a pistol.

Had he only had access to ten-round magazines instead of 30-round magazines he would've had to
reload 14 times. He would’ve needed 14 spare magazines beyond the one in the gun with the extra
round in the chamber.
Reloading 14 times. You think he would’ve still pulled off the whole thing in less than five minutes?

The Hartford Courant
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-newtown-lanza-mass-murderers-20130313,0,4473768.story


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