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More Guns, More Death

A study by Boston Children’s Hospital and Harvard University has found that states that have
conservative gun ownership laws have lower death rates from shootings including homicides
and suicides.

The complete report was published March 6, 2013 in the online edition of JAMA (Journal of the
American Medical Association). The report concludes that states like Massachusetts and New
Jersey with strong gun laws experience 42 percent lower gun fatalities than those with liberal
laws like Louisiana and Utah.

The study’s lead author, Dr. Eric Fleegler was quoted to say:
” There are many people who will try to argue that laws don’t make a difference,
don’t bother passing them, let people do what they want. Our study really suggests the
opposite. The states that have taken the time and thought to pass this legislation, we
see lower rates of firearms fatalities.”


Times Union
http://blog.timesunion.com/guns/the-last-straw/615/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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A study done in Mass. one of the most liberal states in the country, I believe the study. How the death rate in Chicago with the toughest gun laws or Wash DC?
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A study done in Mass. one of the most liberal states in the country, I believe the study. How the death rate in Chicago with the toughest gun laws or Wash DC?


Interesting that you bring up Chicago...
From the same study:

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For instance from 2008 to 2012 over 17,000 firearms were recovered by the Chicago
Police Department and traced to their source. Based on data from the Chicago Crime Lab it
turned out that nearly 60 percent of those illegal weapons came from straw sales and other
illegal sales outside of Illinois. The new more conservative federal law promises to put a large
dent in those numbers.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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They bought the illegal guns from the Fast and Furious program.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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OK...

then gun makers are equal to Monsanto and GM seeds/crops

insidiously being a philanthropist that feeds the poor poor poor stupid folks.....

at least(yup I said it..tic) the gun makers are straight forward and everyone knows what a gun is and does


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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This is the group box donated money to, hypocrites. I like his reply that he was going to turn it in to the police, what bullshit.


Gabby Giffords's Husband Buys AR-15

Mark E. Kelly, gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an "assault weapon," he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

Kelly reportedly bought the AR-15 and a 1911-style semi-automatic pistol at a gun store in Tucson, Arizona.

Breitbart News received a tip on this when Neil McCabe, editor of Guns & Patriots newsletter, contacted us on March 7 and said:


Mark E. Kelly, made purchases which included an AR-15--sometimes described as an "assault rifle"--at 3:30 pm on the afternoon of March 5 at Diamondback Police Supply, 170 S. Kolb Street, Tucson, AZ.

According to McCabe, witnesses to the purchases claimed Kelly purchased "high capacity" magazines as well.

On March 6, McCabe contacted Kelly's gun control group--"Americans for Responsible Solutions"--and on March 8 they replied that his message had been passed on to colleagues who handle press requests. Breitbart News then began investigating the details surrounding the purchase, including visiting the gun store.

Suddenly, Kelly announced on his Facebook page that he was not going to keep the AR-15, which he has yet to pick up from the store.  

Days after making the purchases, Kelly wrote on Facebook:


I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a .45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don't have possession of it yet but I'll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do.

Testifying to the Senate Judiciary Committee Jan. 30, Kelly had urged senators to restrict sales firearms based on their lethality--a common refrain with other witnesses that day, who argued that semi-automatic weapons, which chamber subsequent rounds as bullets are fired, and other guns with military-style features level the playing field against law enforcement.

Kelly and Giffords founded their own advocacy group to restrict gun rights, Americans for Responsible Solutions, in January. On its website, ARS wrote: “High capacity magazines are a deadly factor in gun violence.” A 30-round magazine is considered a high-capacity magazine.

The ARS website says: “Congress should act to limit the sale of high capacity magazines, which are not needed for hunting or self-defense, but have proven very lethal.”

Similarly, the ARS website says: “Congress should act to limit the sale of assault weapons.

In February, Kelly told Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace that lawmakers need to address "assault weapons." He said the purpose of an "assault weapon" is "to kill a lot of people very quickly," and he lamented that such products were "too readily available."

Kelly has not commented on whether he will also return the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he purchased.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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John Lennon was killed by a handgun. Same situation, some looney who belonged in a hospital was stalking him. What difference did it make what gunthe guy who shot Giffords used? He was after one person.
Our illustrious Governor wants to amend his own faulty law to give his wealthy 1% Hollywood elitist liberal friends a free pass. A man who can make a dictatorial statement like "confiscation is on the table" shouldn't have any problem telling the entertainment industry what they can and cannot make films about. Do you get more rights if you belong to a group that is likely to vote a certain way?
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That Piyy guy is quite the expert. I idolize his brilliance. I am glad he thinks for me and the rest of Amerika.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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For years, researchers have known that the number of households owning guns has been
on the decline–a trend that still holds. Data from the General Social Survey–a public opinion survey
conducted every two years by the University of Chicago–has tracked gun ownership since 1973.
The number of gun-owning households peaked in 1977, at 54%, and has steadily declined ever since,
reaching 32% in 2012.


Those of us who have paranoid, elderly, white, male, Republican neighbors might worry that some
serious stockpiling of weapons is going on next door.
For the rest of us, the data reveals the best gun news to hit the headlines in a very long time.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Those of us who have paranoid, elderly, white, male, Republican neighbors might worry that some
serious stockpiling of weapons is going on next door.
For the rest of us, the data reveals the best gun news to hit the headlines in a very long time.


Aren't you the paranoid one that think people are stockpiling guns?


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Aren't you the paranoid one that think people are stockpiling guns?


No.
The number of guns sold is increasing while the number of households who own guns is decreasing...
The paranoid ones, with the guns, are stockpiling.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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No.
The number of guns sold is increasing while the number of households who own guns is decreasing...
The paranoid ones, with the guns, are stockpiling.


which would be your cult-leaders elected into office to act as such cult leaders


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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No.
The number of guns sold is increasing while the number of households who own guns is decreasing...
The paranoid ones, with the guns, are stockpiling.


Correct, sheepishness and fear of pissing off the government is indeed growing.

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No.
The number of guns sold is increasing while the number of households who own guns is decreasing...
The paranoid ones, with the guns, are stockpiling.


That, or the laws restricting legal gun ownership is reducing the number of households eligible to own guns.

BTW, how do they know what homes own guns?


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