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I love Maher's "STOP SIGN" anology... It fits Cicero perfectly!!!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Ummm he didn't give one example on how libertarians were selfish   By the way studies have
shown that liberals were the least likely to give to charity then any other political group, why is
that box, maybe because they expect others to do it for them. Why is it everything liberals
support has to be funded by others money, if anything it is the liberals who are always me me
me not libertarians. This has to be the worst fail I ever seen by box and Maher and that is
saying a lot.


Maybe it's perspective... I see all the (very few) libertarians that I know with only one concern...
ME ME ME!  I got mine... screw every one else!

The CONSERVATIVES GIVE MORE Myth... is just that... a MYTH based on faulty phrasing of the
questions:


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Charitable contributions are the lifeblood of many nonprofit organizations; however,
little attention has been paid to how political attitudes affect donations. In this paper, we
first show that conservatives and liberals are equally generous in their donation habits.
This pattern holds at both the individual and state level, and contradicts the conventional
wisdom that partisans differ in their generosity. Second, we show that while levels of giving
are roughly equivalent, liberals are much more likely to donate to secular organizations, and
conservatives are more likely to donate to religious causes, especially their own congregation.
Finally, we examine the dynamic relationship between political control and individual
partisanship. We find that charitable contributions fluctuate based on the political landscape:
Democrats (Republicans) donate less money when a Republican (Democrat) occupies the
White House. Conversely, having a co-partisan in the White House increases the average
and total donations to nonprofits at the state level. In addition to furthering our
understanding of partisan bias, our findings demonstrate that the results of a presidential
election could have significant consequences for nonprofit organizations and the
populations they serve.


Like many Conservative MYTHS this one will live on forever because it fits the agenda...
facts be damned!

"Who Really Gives? Partisanship and Charitable Giving in the United States"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033


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I love Maher's "STOP SIGN" anology... It fits Cicero perfectly!!!


I imagined you would.  You love fallacious arguments of bad analogy.  

Box's argument:  Society has traffic stop signs and you obey them, so government can restrict what kind of gun certain people own, and you must obey them too.

When you have a weak argument, it's always easy to persuade the ignorant with the premise of a bad analogy.  Maher understands that, he's not stupid.


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I imagined you would.  You love fallacious arguments of bad analogy.  

Box's argument:  Society has traffic stop signs and you obey them, so government can restrict what kind of gun certain people own, and you must obey them too.

When you have a weak argument, it's always easy to persuade the ignorant with the premise of a bad analogy.  Maher understands that, he's not stupid.


No one persuaded me of anything... When I heard Maher's words... it was like I was reading one of
YOUR POSTS.  "How dare the govt take away my right to drive through an intersection"!!!
  Waaa Waaaa Waaa       


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No one persuaded me of anything... When I heard Maher's words... it was like I was reading one of
YOUR POSTS.  "How dare the govt take away my right to drive through an intersection"!!!
  Waaa Waaaa Waaa       


So you are saying that removing traffic stop signs has a proportional affect on safety as say...eliminating public education, or eliminating the EPA, or decriminalizing marijuana, or any of the MANY needless government regulations?  

The stop sign argument is a ridiculous argument design for the gullible moron to be used to persuade other gullible morons.


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Maybe it's perspective... I see all the (very few) libertarians that I know with only one concern...
ME ME ME!  I got mine... screw every one else!

The CONSERVATIVES GIVE MORE Myth... is just that... a MYTH based on faulty phrasing of the
questions:




Don't try to spin it now where did Maher give 1 example that libertarians are selfish, you can't because your own sick mind just made it up, you basically heard what you wanted to.   


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The stop sign argument is a ridiculous argument design for the gullible moron to be used to persuade
other gullible morons.


When I heard the "stop sign" section of the video... I didn't really think of the politics...
It just reminded me of a typical Cicero's rant... They don't make a lot of sense either.  



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Maybe it's perspective... I see all the (very few) libertarians that I know with only one concern...
ME ME ME!  I got mine... screw every one else!

The CONSERVATIVES GIVE MORE Myth... is just that... a MYTH based on faulty phrasing of the
questions:




Like many Conservative MYTHS this one will live on forever because it fits the agenda...
facts be damned!

"Who Really Gives? Partisanship and Charitable Giving in the United States"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2148033


as a libertarian, it's not up to the government to decide if I gave enough of my fair share helping out my neighbor, nor
is their business to encourage claiming 'donations/charity' on my taxes....that's how personal it is...it's NOT up to the
government to decide your label or your value. It's up to us personally to help our neighbors.

that's why I always find it amusing when folks tout the 'generosity' of the likes of the Gates foundation/hollywood
fundraising etc etc....as if they have more humanity in them and more value just because they have access to
the media...I DON'T GIVE A RATS a** HOW MUCH TIME/MONEY THEY DONATE....neither should anyone else...

the band wagons are everywhere and they drive around those political podiums that show up at all crisis' and it's a shame


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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At Howard University, Rand Paul Falsely Claims He Never
Opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act


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"I've never been against the Civil Rights Act, ever," Paul told
a questioner, following what was the first speech by a Republican legislator
at the historically black university in decades. "This was on tape,"
the questioner responded.


Watch Paul Get Caught in His Lie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MWBDWU7qES8


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1st line by Rand Paul in the video "I liked the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I'm all in favor of that", after that he goes into the reasons some of it is wrong in his opinion, sorry no lie here caught on tape just box grasping at straws


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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1st line by Rand Paul in the video "I liked the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination
in all public domains, and I'm all in favor of that", after that he goes into the reasons some of it is wrong in his
opinion, sorry no lie here caught on tape just box grasping at straws


NO LIE???  OK. I'm sure the other Ron/Rand Paul Groupies will agree with your distorted view.
But
The Washington Post Calls Rand Paul a LIAR!!!
The WP is very polite and uses the words:
"Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions."
and so awards Randy Paul
Three Pinocchios



http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....1538ae90a4_blog.html


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More Rand Paul Whoppers:

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"The president is advocating a drone strike program in America."



Like his dad, Randy Paul's statements don't have to be true...
They just have to further his agenda.


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Ohhhh nooooo...he broke out the Pinocchio's!  It's official now.


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More Rand Paul Whoppers:




Like his dad, Randy Paul's statements don't have to be true...
They just have to further his agenda.


He killed an American with a drone.   You're right, that's not advocating, that's doing.  

The federal government never moved to revoke Al Awlaki'a citizenship.

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U.S. revoked Anwar Al-Awlaki's passport six months before death

...revoking Al-Awlaki's passport would have advanced Obama Administration arguments that the alleged AQAP operative was a foreign national. However, revoking a passport is not synonymous with revoking a person's citizenship, a step that's much harder to carry out.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/.....s-before-150521.html


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Ohhhh nooooo...he broke out the Pinocchio's!  It's official now.


If you disagree that Randy Paul lied... your disagreement is with the Washington Post... not me.


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