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Bloomberg: State Should Follow City’s ‘Soda Ban’

By Michael Howard Saul


New York State should follow New York City’s lead and prohibit the sale of large sugary drinks in stores that do not fall under the city’s soon-to-be-enacted ban, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

Beginning March 12, the city will prohibit restaurants, mobile food carts, delis and concessions at movie theaters, stadiums or arenas from selling sugary drinks in cups or containers larger than 16 ounces. The city will begin fining sellers for violating the ban in mid-June.

The city ban, however, does not include convenience stores, such as 7-Elevens, and supermarkets, both of which are regulated by the state government. But on Monday, Bloomberg urged the state to move forward with a ban that matched the city’s new regulations.

“The state should do exactly the same thing in stores,” Bloomberg said at a news conference in Brooklyn.

Aides to the mayor did not immediately return requests for comment on Monday to clarify precisely what action the mayor believes the state should take. Under the city ban, a restaurant would be prohibited from selling a large sugary drink, but a convenience store across the street would be exempt.

Opponents to the ban have asked a judge to stop the Bloomberg administration from moving forward with the ban, but as of Monday there’s been no ruling.

Chris Gindlesperger, a spokesman for the American Beverage Association, which is spearheading the legal fight against the ban, said, “The soda ban is exceedingly unpopular with New Yorkers.  It increases the cost of doing business in the city and will have no impact on the mayor’s stated goal of reducing obesity.  New Yorkers can decide for themselves what to eat and drink.”

At Monday’s news conference, the mayor strongly defended the initiative as a forward-thinking way to combat the growing epidemic of obesity.

“Kids, once they get obese, they will be obese as adults. And this year, for the first time in the world, in the history of humanity, more people will die from overeating than from under-eating.” Bloomberg said. “So, we’re trying to do something here.”

The mayor, who has made public health a hallmark of his 11-plus years as chief executive of the nation’s most populous city, said he doesn’t believe the city is “banning anything” because patrons are permitted to purchase as many sugary drinks as they want, provided the cup size is no larger than 16 ounces.
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“We’re not banning anything, other than saying you have to serve it in portions of 16 ounces or less,” Bloomberg said. “We’re just trying to encourage you and educate you that this is probably not the greatest thing for you, and all of the research done shows that portion control really does work. You typically won’t reach for the next one.”

Bloomberg first proposed the ban last spring and, to date, there’s been no move by any officials in Albany to extend the ban in New York City to venues regulated by the state, or to extend the ban to areas outside the five boroughs. There also has been no move by lawmakers in Albany or the City Council to prevent Bloomberg from implementing these new regulations through legislative action.

The New York City Board of Health, a panel appointed by the mayor, approved the new regulations in September.

A sugary drink is defined as any beverage sweetened with sugar or another caloric sweetener that contains more than 25 calories per eight fluid ounces and contains less than 51% milk or milk substitute by volume as an ingredient. A diet soda, a milk shake or sweetened latte that is larger than 16 ounces wouldn’t be banned.

The proposal is the latest high-profile initiative from Bloomberg to influence public health. In 2002, the mayor persuaded the City Council to approve a ban on cigarettes in restaurants and bars, a law that has since become widely popular in the city and adopted around the globe.

During the mayor’s tenure, the Board of Health has required calorie counts to be posted on menu boards and banned the use of trans-fats in foods. The mayor’s administration also launched a major effort to limit the intake of salt.
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Iam sure "Ang" will support it b/c it helps "the kids"


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“We’re not banning anything, other than saying you have to serve it in portions of 16 ounces or less,” Bloomberg said. “We’re just trying to encourage you and educate you that this is probably not the greatest thing for you, and all of the research done shows that portion control really does work. You typically won’t reach for the next one.”


does ANYONE see what he is saying right to the plebs face? anyone?

"YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO DO THE RIGHT THING"

that's what he's saying. woooo-hoooo!!! let's here it for an elected leader...f

what a DICK! he's worse than an evangelist.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Here is what bothers me the most. Why does no one question that a guy who gets himself elected MAYOR, gets to tell everyone what to do in all areas of their lives? People (sheeple) are stupid enough to start debating whether or not he is "right" about soda or anything else, when the central question should be "WHO THE HELL DOES MICHAEL BLOOMBERG THINK HE IS?"
A mayor in America has no more authority to make these kind of decisions than I do. Neither does the governor, or the president. Both Cuomo and Obama, especially Obama, have shown the same signs of granting themselves special powers of expertise in all things, and thinking that it is up to them, and them alone, to issue these edicts for our own good. We are all over the place in the world to "bring democracy", allegedly, but these nuts (a megalomaniac is a maniac) are removing democracy right here in our own society.
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Here is what bothers me the most. Why does no one question that a guy who gets himself elected MAYOR, gets to tell everyone what to do in all areas of their lives? People (sheeple) are stupid enough to start debating whether or not he is "right" about soda or anything else, when the central question should be "WHO THE HELL DOES MICHAEL BLOOMBERG THINK HE IS?"
A mayor in America has no more authority to make these kind of decisions than I do. Neither does the governor, or the president. Both Cuomo and Obama, especially Obama, have shown the same signs of granting themselves special powers of expertise in all things, and thinking that it is up to them, and them alone, to issue these edicts for our own good. We are all over the place in the world to "bring democracy", allegedly, but these nuts (a megalomaniac is a maniac) are removing democracy right here in our own society.


Enslavement and dictatorship. If it saves even one life it's worth it.

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Source: Cuomo will veto bottle deposit bill
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:32 am by Jimmy Vielkind, Capitol bureau      in Andrew Cuomo

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo plans to veto a bill that would dedicate unclaimed bottle deposits for a special account that funds environmental projects, a source said.

The bill passed both houses of the Legislature in June, and is one of roughly 30 measures on the governor’s desk that must be acted on by today. It would move roughly $56 million over six years — a time frame that made state budget officials squirm.

The provision was originally supposed to be included in the 2012-13 budget, but was left on the cutting room floor in March as the spending plan came together. Negotiations over what to do continued through the legislative session, when Sen. Mark Grisanti, R-Buffalo, decided to draft and introduce a bill without the explicit acquiescence of the Cuomo administration. It passed both houses in June by wide margins.

The veto continues a theme: no bills dealing with fiscal matters outside of the state budget.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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REGIONAL
CAPITOL : Bottle bill has changes in store
Deposit fraud is targeted
BY SARA FOSS Gazette Reporter
In 2009, eight Long Island men were arrested and charged with illegally redeeming the same bottles and cans multiple times, stealing millions of dollars from companies such as Pepsi and Anheuser-Busch.
   Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s proposed budget for 2013-2014 seeks to crack down on this type of fraud.
   The governor would amend the state’s bottle bill to require “deposit initiators” to file detailed reports and make quarterly payments, and imposes stiffer fines and penalties on those who fail to do so. Another change would require bottlers and deposit initiators to notify the state whenever a bottle or bottle label appears to have been altered — an indication that it could have been deposited illegally, from out of state.
   Under state law, a deposit initiator is the fi rst bottler, distributor, dealer or agent to collect the refund value on a beverage container sold in New York state.
   Cuomo’s effort to crack down on bottle deposit fraud is part of a package of changes to the state’s bottle bill law.
   These changes include giving stores and redemption centers the right to reject bottles that aren’t “reasonably clean,” and allowing stores of less than 10,000 square feet to accept only 72 returned cans per person each day. Right now, the limit for most stores is 240 cans per person per day.
   Steven Harris, president of the New York State Beer Wholesalers Association, praised the changes, saying that abuse of the state’s bottle-deposit law is rampant.
   “There’s unbelievable fraud happening as we speak,” he said. “This bill is designed to get the fraud out of the system.”
   But environmentalists expressed some concerns about the proposed changes.
   They said they support cracking down on fraud, but they worry that the bill’s other provisions will make it harder to recycle. They said they oppose the measure that would allow smaller stores to accept only 72 cans per person per day, and the measure that would allow stores and redemption centers the right to reject unclean bottles.
   “Not all of the changes are good ones,” said Laura Haight, a senior environmental associate at the New York Public Interest Research Group. NICKELS ADD UP
   The governor’s offi ce estimates that stepped-up enforcement of the bottle bill would bring in an additional $4 million for the state Environmental Protection Fund. Another proposal would transfer $15 million in unclaimed bottle deposits to the EPF. Combined, the governor’s two proposals would increase funding for the EPF $19 million, to $153 million.
   The Environmental Protection Fund pays for a variety of environmental programs, including open space programs and parks and recreation, and increasing funding for it has long been a priority of state environmental groups.
   Andrew Postiglione, the fi scal policy program director for Environmental Advocates of New York, said that the bottle bill would “let smaller businesses off the hook” by allowing them to accept fewer bottles. He also said that making it easier to reject unclean bottles was a bad idea. “Now there will be a lot more discretion to the process, which isn’t necessarily a good thing.”
   Haight agreed.
   “It doesn’t help consumers,” she said. “It’s going to make it harder to return bottles and cans. The bottle bill works because it’s convenient, and we’ve worked hard to make it convenient.”
   The bottle bill was last changed in 2009. Modifications included an increase in the handling fee, from 2 cents per container to 3.5 cents, and an expansion of the bill to include water bottles.
   Harris said the increase in the handling fee served as an incentive for “nefarious people” to get into the redemption business and commit “serious fraud.” He said it’s impossible to verify the number of bottles collected by recyclers, and that it’s not uncommon for his members to open up a bag that they’ve been told is filled with cans and find two or three milk jugs hidden in the middle of the pile.
   “They’ll give us a bag that looks full, but maybe it’s 50 cans short,” Harris said.
   Another problem is “double redemption” — bottles and cans being redeemed more than once. “Instead of getting five cents for a bottle, people will be getting 10 cents, 15 cents,” he said.
   Harris said environmentalists see the bottle bill as a panacea. “They don’t always understand the business.”
   NYPIRG has released surveys touting the benefits of the bottle bill.
   One of these surveys suggests that businesses have benefi ted from the expansion of the bottle bill. According to the survey, 68 percent of people who return bottles and cans at supermarkets were also shopping there, and that more than half said that they had chosen to shop there because of the convenience of its bottle return facilities.
   Haight said if the state wants to generate more revenue for the Environmental Protection Fund through the bottle bill, it should expand the bill and allow more types of bottles to be recycled.
   “There are better solutions out there,” she said.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I can hear 'Il Duce' Mario Cuomo modifying his SAFE Act speech for soda....


As he's yelling and pounding the podium "You don't need 20 oz to quench a thirst!!"




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I can hear 'Il Duce' Mario Cuomo modifying his SAFE Act speech for soda....


As he's yelling and pounding the podium "You don't need 20 oz to quench a thirst!!"


16 ounce clips.

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Cartons of cigarettes should be banned.  Who needs 10 packs of cigarettes?  

30 packs of beer must be banned.  Who needs 30 beers?  6 packs only!

Who needs a 2 pound pack of hotdogs?  Hotdogs are filled with nitrates.  Only half pound packages of hotdogs.

Wow, this feels good saving people from themselves.


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what a DICK! he's worse than an evangelist.


He IS an evangelist. the new age religion is political correctness and government uber alles


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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That is exactly it, GB. It IS the new state-imposed religion! PCism.
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those people who live there deserve what they get...now let's see if the gumba governor follows suit for the entire state...

pathetic jackasse$

let them open their portfolios and show us their $$ trails


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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for the 'kids'

if it will save ONE LIFE!!!!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Bloomberg Plays on National Stage
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"Injecting millions of dollars into elections from coast to coast, billionaire New York
Mayor Michael Bloomberg is building on a large-scale effort that began last fall to expand
his influence beyond his home turf," the Wall Street Journal reports.

"His growing national profile was on display Wednesday when he visited the White House to
talk to Vice President Joe Biden about new gun laws. The trip came one day after a Chicago
congressional candidate backed by $2.5 million of Mr. Bloomberg's money came from behind
and won a special Democratic primary for former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.'s seat."


Said Bloomberg: "Is it a harbinger of what's to come? I think so."


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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