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You can agree that it's a fact, but you would have to provide the repeatable experiment that makes it a scientific fact.   What is the control?  How do the replicate all the climate variables in a control?  How much carbon dioxide has to be released to raise the earths temperature 1 degree, and over what lenth of time?

I can factually prove that heating water to 212 degrees will turn it into a gas, and repeate it over and over.  Can you tell me how much CO2 has to be released into the atmosphere to raise the global temperature 1 degree?  

Climate change is a belief.  If you want to believe it's fact you can, but even the scientific method doesn't allow it to be a proven fact.


20years from now the green house theory will be wrong because it is ONLY one view....just like the drug industry

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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ All the money is on the side of convincing people global warming isn't happening, who you think is funding the Fox news propaganda your buying?
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ All the money is on the side of convincing people global warming isn't happening, who you think is funding the Fox news propaganda your buying?


Just clarifying scientific fact.  Do you know how much CO2 it takes to raise global temperatures 1 degree?  Can you conduct an experiment and get the same results over and over?  For all you science worshipers, you are quick to ignore science's equivalent of the 10 commandments - the scientific method.  


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You can agree that it's a fact, but you would have to provide the repeatable experiment that makes it a scientific fact.   What is the control?  How do the replicate all the climate variables in a control?  How much carbon dioxide has to be released to raise the earths temperature 1 degree, and over what lenth of time?

I can factually prove that heating water to 212 degrees will turn it into a gas, and repeate it over and over.  Can you tell me how much CO2 has to be released into the atmosphere to raise the global temperature 1 degree?  

Climate change is a belief.  If you want to believe it's fact you can, but even the scientific method doesn't allow it to be a proven fact.


Actually sissiero, climate change isn't a belief. It's based on countless pieces of data. Religionists like yourself  have a hard time with hard data. Boiling water is a red herring. Not falling for your logical fallacies. Try looking at the data yourself instead of listening to your prophets Rush, Glenn and Bill. Satellite data, surface temperature, CO2 rising, livestock output, oceans rising, and solar radiation cycles are just a few elements that determine that climate change, specifically global warming is a fact. Instead of listening to your conservative religious leaders, why don't you seek out a skeptic organization. The first thing they can help you with is assisting you in your overuse of logical fallacies. You can help yourself by simply reading. Since I used to be in your world- I know how difficult it is to be skeptic. You can do it. You need to start by thinking for yourself- and quit trolling! That would help as well.
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D a V ein O mahafrom R otterdam. What a nut.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ All the money is on the side of convincing people global warming isn't happening, who you think is funding the Fox news propaganda your buying?



The people who have convinced themselves that global warming is a hoax and the science (who has no horse in this race, they only evaluate the facts) that backs it up is evil- are the same kind of people who bigfoot hunt and converse with aliens. They are the tops in the woo woo industry.

People who deny global warming are the enemies of skepticism.
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Actually sissiero, climate change isn't a belief. It's based on countless pieces of data. Religionists like yourself  have a hard time with hard data. Boiling water is a red herring. Not falling for your logical fallacies. Try looking at the data yourself instead of listening to your prophets Rush, Glenn and Bill. Satellite data, surface temperature, CO2 rising, livestock output, oceans rising, and solar radiation cycles are just a few elements that determine that climate change, specifically global warming is a fact. Instead of listening to your conservative religious leaders, why don't you seek out a skeptic organization. The first thing they can help you with is assisting you in your overuse of logical fallacies. You can help yourself by simply reading. Since I used to be in your world- I know how difficult it is to be skeptic. You can do it. You need to start by thinking for yourself- and quit trolling! That would help as well.


Very nice rhetorical response.  You were even able to fit in Rush Limbaugh.  The only fact is, countless pieces of data do not make scientific fact - it's data.  The consensus of opinions doesn't make scientific fact.  You ignore the scientific method.

I used to be a collectivist like you.  It is easier to listen to the technocrats and adopt the beliefs of the consensus.  Even if you have to ignore the scientific method that defines scientific fact.  There is security in numbers.


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The people who have convinced themselves that global warming is a hoax and the science (who has no horse in this race, they only evaluate the facts) that backs it up is evil- are the same kind of people who bigfoot hunt and converse with aliens. They are the tops in the woo woo industry.

People who deny global warming are the enemies of skepticism.


People who call global warming data and scientific theories scientific fact are the enemies of science.  Any scientist that refutes the consensus opinion on climate-global-warming-cooling-change is a heretic.  


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Reality isn't even a proven fact.

According to science solid objects are just an illusion.

Time, dimensions and existence are all just theories.
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Reality isn't even a proven fact.

According to science solid objects are just an illusion.

Time, dimensions and existence are all just theories.



Perhaps- but in this reality, I'm real. One day I will be less than real. I'll be dead. So will you. So will cici and his republican mobots. Here's something else that's real. There is NOT one proven case of anyone beating death. Once you're gone- you're gone. That includes any itinerant apocalyptic rabbi by the name of yeshua.







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Perhaps- but in this reality, I'm real. One day I will be less than real. I'll be dead. So will you. So will cici and his republican mobots. Here's something else that's real. There is NOT one proven case of anyone beating death. Once you're gone- you're gone. That includes any itinerant apocalyptic rabbi by the name of yeshua.


For anyone pissing and moaning I'm bringing up religion- the name of this particular forum is chit chat about ANYTHING. Night all. It's military drill weekend.






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For anyone pissing and moaning I'm bringing up religion- the name of this particular forum is chit chat about ANYTHING. Night all. It's military drill weekend.


Hey, I'm not pissing and moaning about you bringing up religion.  I like it.

The religion of science, unlike traditional religion, does not preach to their followers that the clergy's wisdom and edicts come from some celestial god - science preaches they are gods.  


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Actually sissiero, climate change isn't a belief. It's based on countless pieces of data.


Are you talking about that climate data that was admittedly falsified used with a formula that has been proven false?

Can you explain why it was much warmer than it is today during the medieval period?
  





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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Buck don't confuse him with facts. The scientists that study climate change need grants to exist and if they can't get any money to study this so called emergency they're out of business.
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Here's something else that's real. There is NOT one proven case of anyone beating death. Once you're gone- you're gone.



OMG!

You have been taking false premise lessons from Box Of Rocks.

Your false premise is that because no evidence has ever been presented to you,
that you continue to exist after death, that no one can  exist after death.

Your hypothesis asserts that by using a lack of evidence that you are proving your theory.

The only thing proven by your theory is that your reality is custom tailored to feed your own beliefs.

1. If there is no existence before reality, then you must be spontaneously created from nothing,
when you are born.

2. Then when you die you revert back to nothing after your reality ends.

In a universe larger than can be measured, you have managed to state a theory that covers
all existence and realities, for all of creation.

Your failure to know something(ignorance) does not prove your conclusion.

Now for reality.

It has long been observed throughout our reality that matter/energy can never be destroyed,
only transformed.

So unless life exists outside of the matter/energy reality that we occupy, we can safely presume
that life is never created or destroyed, only transformed or converted.

So I state again, reality has never been proven to exist.

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