I think Box is losing it At least half of the citizens on this board know we have the right to protect our home and family. NO ONE wants to see cops killed, what the hell is wrong with you?
I'm not posting about "protecting your home or family" ... I was referring to the tendency of a few on this board who look at the Police, (or military) as the 'enemy'. They see themselves as 'oppressed' by their government, and the police are the 'enforcers' of that oppression. They see an upcoming "Armed Insurrection" with themselves on one side of the battle and the police and US military on the other.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
LAPD manhunt: Some cheer on fugitive Christopher Dorner with anti-cop, gun control, race agendas Lisa Brenner | February 8th, 2013, 5:25pm
Please note: We are offering this post as a window into a corner of the Internet where support for fugitive Christopher Dorner has found traction. Some readers may find the material presented here to be offensive, so be forewarned. We are posting this to note that this is taking place, not to endorse or encourage it. Update, Saturday: We've closed comments on this post because they were becoming repetitive. We invite you to take the ongoing discussion to social media with the hashtag #LAPDmanhunt.
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America's history is sepia-soaked with outlaws who have engendered popular support. In keeping with this difficult-to-deconstruct phenomenon, a number of social media corners are cheering on suspected murderer Christopher Dorner while authorities are still trying to track him down.
The ex-LAPD officer and former Navy reservist who posted a 14-page "manifesto" detailing his plans for a revenge-fueled rampage across California is still at large, with the search expanding into other regions.
He is a suspect in the shooting deaths of three people, including a member of Riverside PD, and the daughter of Dorner's former lawyer.
None of this has dissuaded a group of ardent supporters who back Dorner for a variety of reasons. #GoDornerGo, #WeAreAllChrisDorner and other hashtags have been gaining momentum on Twitter. Some supporters appear to be motivated by personal issues; others express anti-hero worship and fugitive fandom to push specific agendas. ...........................>>>>.............................>>>>....................http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2013/02/08/12476/lapd-manhunt-some-cheer-on-fugitive-christopher-do/
I'm not posting about "protecting your home or family" ... I was referring to the tendency of a few on this board who look at the Police, (or military) as the 'enemy'. They see themselves as 'oppressed' by their government, and the police are the 'enforcers' of that oppression. They see an upcoming "Armed Insurrection" with themselves on one side of the battle and the police and US military on the other.
but no pom-poms either....no one is oppressed until they wake up one day and say..."HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?"
then we look back at history and each previous generation hammered home a nail......
Do you think the millennials will wake up and thank you or I for their fear mongering leaders/masters????
I can only hope not....the loss of one's innate human ability to provide the best protection/choice/logic/reason can be insidious....and always is when 'gods' are set up......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
but no pom-poms either....no one is oppressed until they wake up one day and say..."HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?"
then we look back at history and each previous generation hammered home a nail......
Do you think the millennials will wake up and thank you or I for their fear mongering leaders/masters????
I can only hope not....the loss of one's innate human ability to provide the best protection/choice/logic/reason can be insidious....and always is when 'gods' are set up......
Judging by senders post... he/she's been into some quality hallucinogens this morning!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
This is what happens when you mix Liberal cops with good ole boys.
This brings to light the fact that you can't be a good cop if you try.
His anger is directed, not just the bad cops who abuse people, but also against the cops that stand by and allow it, just to keep their jobs.
There are millions of victims of police abuse in society, it is understandable that they would cheer for someone who turns the tables on the police. They are mistakenly believing the same thing the cops believe, that the end justifies the means.
Acting like, and becoming that which you are protesting, fails to show how the police act improperly, when they cheer for similar actions.
But again, this is cop on cop crime. The law dictates that there shall be no obstruction.
Keep your distance and keep your head down.
The lesson from all of this? The police need to make whistle blowing on bad cops an acceptable behavior for cops, and they need to discourage cops from standing by letting crimes happen. Years of a broken system have come to a boil.
No of course, the LAPD wants to reopen his case. It's a little late to come clean.
Christopher Dorner Manifesto Puts LAPD Legacy Under A Spotlight
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD 02/09/13 11:12 PM ET EST AP
LOS ANGELES -- Fugitive former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner's claim in an online "manifesto" that his career was undone by racist colleagues conspiring against him comes at a time when it's widely held that the police department has evolved well beyond the troubled racial legacy of Rodney King and the O.J. Simpson trial.
Dorner, who is suspected in a string of vengeance killings, has depicted himself as a black man wronged, whose badge was unjustly taken in 2008 after he lodged a complaint against a white female supervisor.
"It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me," Dorner said in online writings authorities have attributed to him. Racism and officer abuses, he argued, have not improved at LAPD since the King beating but have "gotten worse."
Dorner's problems at the LAPD, which ended with his dismissal, played out without public notice more than four years ago, as the department gradually emerged from federal oversight following a corruption scandal. At the time, the officer ranks were growing more diverse and then-Chief William Bratton was working hard to mend relations with long-skeptical minorities.
"This is no longer your father's LAPD," Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa declared in 2009, after the federal clampdown was ended.
Dorner's allegations led Police Chief Charlie Beck on Saturday to order a reexamination of the disciplinary case that led to the former officer's firing. Beck said he wanted to assure the city that the department "is transparent and fair in all the things we do."
"I am aware of the ghosts of the LAPD's past, and one of my biggest concerns is that they will be resurrected by Dorner's allegations of racism," Beck said in a statement.
Civil rights attorney Connie Rice said the department should review the Dorner case and his claims, while stressing that she is not defending the suspect in any way and is shocked by the attacks.
She said the 10,000-member force headquartered in a glass-walled high-rise in downtown Los Angeles has entered a new era.
"The open racism of the days before is gone," said Rice, who closely tracks racial issues inside the department and has faced off against the LAPD in court. "The overall culture has improved enormously."
Police say Dorner shot and killed a couple in a parking garage last weekend in Irvine, the beginning of a rampage he said was retribution for his mistreatment at LAPD. A search for him continued Saturday, centered on the mountain town of Big Bear Lake, where his burned-out pickup truck was found Thursday.
The woman who died was the daughter of a retired police captain who had represented Dorner in the disciplinary proceedings that led to his dismissal. Hours after authorities identified Dorner as a suspect in the double murder, police believe he shot and grazed an LAPD officer and later used a rifle to ambush two Riverside police officers, killing one and seriously wounding the other.
"This is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD," Dorner wrote in a 14-page online manifesto.
On Friday, a community of online sympathizers formed, echoing complaints against police that linger in some communities. One Facebook page supporting Dorner, which had over 2,300 fans by Friday evening, said "this is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It's supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do."
The LAPD was once synonymous with violent and bigoted officers, whose culture and brand of street justice was depicted by Hollywood in films like "L.A. Confidential" and "Training Day."
In 1965, 34 people died when the Watts riots, triggered by a traffic stop of a black man by a white California Highway Patrol officer, exposed deep fractures between blacks and an overwhelmingly white law enforcement community.
In the 1980s, gang sweeps took thousands of youths into custody. The O.J. Simpson trial deepened skepticism of a department already tarnished by the videotaped beating of King, the black motorist who was hit with batons, kicked repeatedly and jolted with stun guns by officers who chased him for speeding. Rioting after a jury with no black members acquitted three of the LAPD officers on state charges and a mistrial was declared for a fourth lasted three days, killing 55 people.
In the Rampart scandal of the late 1990s, scores of criminal convictions were thrown out after members of an anti-gang unit were accused of beating and framing residents in a poor, largely minority neighborhood. A handful of officers were convicted of various crimes and the scandal led to federal oversight that lasted eight years.
Much has changed: Whites now make up roughly a third of the department and, while under federal authority, LAPD moved to require anti-gang and narcotics officers to disclose their finances and worked on new tools to track officer conduct.
When Bratton announced in 2009 he was stepping down, he said he hoped his legacy would be improved race relations. "I believe we have turned a corner in that issue," he said.
Dorner's own case in some ways reflects the diversity of the LAPD: the superior he accused of abuse was a woman and the man who represented him at his disciplinary hearing was the first Chinese-American captain in department history.
When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.
Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.
However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.
Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."
"I had broken their supposed `Blue Line.'. Unfortunately, It's not JUST US, it's JUSTICE!!!" he wrote. Dorner said in the posting that his account was supported by the alleged victim. He also claims the board that heard his case had conflicts because of ties to Evans, the training officer.
Rice was quick to point out that while the LAPD culture has improved, there are still what she calls pockets of bad behavior.
That was echoed by Hector Villagra, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.
"There has definitely been improvement from those dark days," Villagra said. "We are in a vastly different place, but there still are opportunities for improvement in this and any other police department."
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Associated Press writer Gillian Flaccus contributed to this report.
ok....while watching the LAME STREAM MEDIA.....we've noticed that they (THE LAME STREAM MEDIA) seems to be purposely forgetting to show the pictures of the three VICTIMS that were shot. Is it just me or are they(THE LAME STREAM MEDIA), trying to portray Dorner as another rodney king...aka victim? Especially CNN...... although FOX is coming in as a close second.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
ONE guy in a cabin....swat teams and cops and God only knows who and what else they had at their disposal.....they tear gas the place and the gazillions of law enforcement couldn't go in an take this guy alive???? OMG!!!
and we want to disarm the citizens and depend on these law enforcement guys????? NOT!!!
......BURN THE EVIDENCE!!!!
disgusting!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
ONE guy in a cabin....swat teams and cops and God only knows who and what else they had at their disposal.....they tear gas the place and the gazillions of law enforcement couldn't go in an take this guy alive???? OMG!!!
and we want to disarm the citizens and depend on these law enforcement guys????? NOT!!!
......BURN THE EVIDENCE!!!!
disgusting!
A scorched earth policy is a strategy which involves destroying anything that might be useful to the enemy. It is a strategy where all of the assets that are used or can be used by the enemy are targeted.
The practice can be carried out in enemy territory, or in its own home territory.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
February 13, 2013, 7:55 PM Sheriff: Fire in cabin not set intentionally San Bernardino authorities speak at press conference Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2013
San Bernardino authorities speak at press conference Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2013 / CBS News
California authorities have not positively identified Christopher Dorner as the body found in a burned out cabin in the San Bernardino mountains, but did release the name of the sheriff's deputy killed in a ferocious gun battle with accused multiple-killer Dorner in Big Bear, Calif., Tuesday.
San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Detective Jeremiah McKay, 35, was shot and killed as police closed in on Dorner. He had served in the department for 15 years and was married with two children: a 7-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old boy.
McMahon also told reporters that the fire in the cabin where Christopher Dorner presumably died was not intentionally set by authorities. He said tear gas canisters fired into the cabin apparently set the blaze.
A second San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy, Alex Collins, was also wounded in the firefight and was still being treated in the hospital Wednesday afternoon. He is in expected to make a good recovery.
"Absolutely true heroes," McMahon said of the men, describing the final shootout with Dorner similar to a "war zone."
The coroner's office is working to make a positive identification on remains recovered from the ruins of cabin - from a fire that police said was not intentional on their part.
While the remains are believed to be those of Dorner and McMahon said they are not engaged "in a man hunt any longer," the body still hasn't been officially identified. CBS News reporter Carter Evans reports all 400 LAPD officers assigned to protect families on the fired cop's revenge list have now gone back to regular duty.
Dorner's firing by the LAPD allegedly sent him on a killing spree that began ten days ago and left four people dead. He was targeting police officers and their families.
When the manhunt came to a sudden, violent end, Evans and his crew were on the side of the road when they decided to follow an unmarked police truck less than a mile away. They came to a dead stop right in the middle of a firefight.
The man believed to be Dorner was cornered in a cabin. He was shooting at police with a high-powered sniper rifle.
Police scanner made it clear that two sheriff's deputies had been shot: "Officer down! Officer down!"
Deputies couldn't get to the wounded because the gunfire was so intense. They used smoke grenades to cover their rescue of the deputies. One survived.
CBS News witnessed at least half a dozen police say the suspect had a sound suppressor on his rifle, so they had difficulty figuring out where to direct their fire.
As Dorner hid in the cabin, authorities, SWAT teams and armored vehicles could be seen from about 100 yards away, preparing to move in.
The shootout was the climactic manhunt that involved every law enforcement agency in Southern California. The Big Bear Mountain resort became the focus after Dorner's burned-out truck was found nearby. Sources tell CBS News that weapons, cold-weather survival gear, and a gas mask were found inside the truck.
Police went door to door, forest rangers scoured the mountains. They now believe Dorner was hiding in plain sight in a vacant condo overlooking the police command post. Police are not sure how long he was there -- they sent deputies to check 600 cabins, and apparently that one was not on the list. Deputy authorities said in a press conference the deputies were told to look for signs of break-ins, but it was still unclear on how they could have missed Dorner.
The final act of the drama began Tuesday morning when two women arrived to clean the condo. They say Dorner tied them up and stole their car. One was able to get free and call 911.
Play Video Carjack victim on encounter with ex-cop
Police spotted the stolen car 25 miles away, but lost it. Authorities say Dorner then ditched that car and carjacked a man.
"He had his gun aimed at me," said Richard Heltebrake, the man in that silver truck. "And he said, 'I don't want to hurt you. Just get out and walk up the road and take your dog.'"
Dorner crashed that truck soon after another police chase and gun fight. It appeared the cabin was his last stand. After nearly a four-hour standoff, police prepared for the final assault.
The decision was to use a powerful form of tear gas and ram the house in with an armored vehicle. Flames engulfed the cabin. The cause is unclear.
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