I have made it a rule of not entering in any discussion with Holocaust deniers. You should be ashamed.
Who here has specifically denied the holocaust. Bumble started the discussion by posting the news article about Morsi's aide denying it. I don't believe that he was denying it, but showing the insanity of giving Morsi an F-16. I could be wrong, but that's how it came across to me.
All that anyone of us can do is tell what they have learned, and their conclusions based on what they have learned and been taught.
You have a chance here to express your conclusions based on what you have learned and been taught as well.
I'm not a holocaust denier. I question the root cause of it. If you look for that, Zionism is in the equation.
I see racism and intolerance as the cause of Germany's rise to war, and the imprisonment of the Jews and others, a result of their racist intent. The actual escalating costs of the war must have contributed greatly to the starvation and deaths, along with the racism and pride of the Aryan superior race.
I'm also sure that all Germans could not possibly feel the same way, but were in no position to speak out against what they could not control.
The problem is the same problem with a lot of emotionally involved causes or events.. It's the hysterical response from people who hear questions about parts of the story, and once heard, assume you are questioning the ENTIRE story...or cause
i.e.
Question: Is the root cause of the Holocaust as commonly believed? reaction: you are a holocaust denier
Question: Why should illegal immigrants get services intended for citizens? reaction: you are a racist and hate immigrants
Question: I have a problem with gay marriage, why not give them separate but legal standing i.e. civil unions reaction: You are a homophobe
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
I'm not a denier either....BUT.............when you gather information from ALL sources available to man, including those who actually fought in WWII............the stories are very very conflicting.
all i can see today is that the jews have the holocaust for sympathy...again not denying it....AND.....the have the world's supper power (U.S.) to fight it's battles....AND.....they run just about every banking system and are embedded in U.S. government at all levels!
So it appears that 'their God' has lifted them up and made them victorious and powerful.....yes?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The problem is the same problem with a lot of emotionally involved causes or events.. It's the hysterical response from people who hear questions about parts of the story, and once heard, assume you are questioning the ENTIRE story...or cause
i.e.
Question: Is the root cause of the Holocaust as commonly believed? reaction: you are a holocaust denier
Question: Why should illegal immigrants get services intended for citizens? reaction: you are a racist and hate immigrants
Question: I have a problem with gay marriage, why not give them separate but legal standing i.e. civil unions reaction: You are a homophobe
I agree with you.
2 comments.
1. Immigration laws are racist. This country was populated by immigrants. Then some genius decided we like things how they are, no more pesky dirty Mexicans. My question would be, why is immigration illegal or regulated by law? How does someone justify hundreds of years of free entry then declare private club, members only?
2. Everyone is supposed to be equal under legal standing. The government should make no laws regarding marriage. Marriage has been stolen from the churches and turned into legal government sanctioned binding contracts. That was the changing of the definition of marriage. The inclusion of gays into marriage is an amendment to the government sanctioned legally binding contracts called marriage. It has nothing to do with marriage as most people understand it as a religious event.
Henry--YOU should know better. Most of us know these other fools for trolls and bigots--didn't see it coming from you.
What exactly did I say that offended you? If anything I want people to study our history so it will not be repeated, that's not to say people shouldn't ask questions about what happened.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
1. Immigration laws are racist. This country was populated by immigrants. Then some genius decided we like things how they are, no more pesky dirty Mexicans. My question would be, why is immigration illegal or regulated by law? How does someone justify hundreds of years of free entry then declare private club, members only?
2. Everyone is supposed to be equal under legal standing. The government should make no laws regarding marriage. Marriage has been stolen from the churches and turned into legal government sanctioned binding contracts. That was the changing of the definition of marriage. The inclusion of gays into marriage is an amendment to the government sanctioned legally binding contracts called marriage. It has nothing to do with marriage as most people understand it as a religious event.
agree with both...
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The problem is the same problem with a lot of emotionally involved causes or events.. It's the hysterical response from people who hear questions about parts of the story, and once heard, assume you are questioning the ENTIRE story...or cause
i.e.
Question: Is the root cause of the Holocaust as commonly believed? reaction: you are a holocaust denier
Question: Why should illegal immigrants get services intended for citizens? reaction: you are a racist and hate immigrants
Question: I have a problem with gay marriage, why not give them separate but legal standing i.e. civil unions reaction: You are a homophobe
agree....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
using the holocaust and 9/11 over and over and over again, and only parts of the stories, to instill fear/panic/legislation/regulation etc etc....is like telling your children over and over again that driving will cause them death and to fear it all the time...
it's a bad way to live and it insidiously creeps into the human psyche and WILL cause the pendulum to swing in the other direction or the civilization falls to well below it's courageous glory it once held...
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
But I feel the same way when I hear Americans raging against Mexicans that just want to come and live here.
...Or when progressives go ape sh*t when Christians call America a "Christian Nation" and shame anybody that questions the history of the founding of a "Jewish Nation".
Now back to the Morsi issue, which started all of this. Who the hell did the background check on him?
I just heard on the radio they are sending him twenty advanced F16 fighter jets and 200 Abram tanks.
We just created a middle east superpower at the same time as Israel chooses to bomb Syria.
We should be sending irrigation equipment and tractors. I wonder of they gave him a Verizon type plan whereby he must buy 60,000 bombs and 40,000 mortar shells per month.
This make no sense. Add fuel to the crazies in the middle while trying to reduce the firepower of US citizens.
It is pretty clear that you do not know about the Holocaust ofr understand what makes the HOlocaust unique in history. The killing of six million Jews is unique because they were murdered ONLY because they were Jews. There were no political reasons--there was also the killing of another 5 million that the Nazi regime felt were inferior--Gypsies, Polish intelegentsia, homosexuals, people who opposed Hitler. Another 60 million died in the war. "Control the media" all those types of comments are part of the lie spread by Hitler. I suspect some of you would have followed his lead because you sheople would have believed all the lies he spread to get into power. How easy it was for him to convince Germans that they were superior. It was right after they lost a war. This board is even more despicable than I originally thought. Shame on you fools.
We expressed our views based on the knowledge we have of the holocaust. If you want to be mad at us for having a viewpoint and expressing it, that is a personal problem of your own making. If you choose not to take part in the discussion and leave your viewpoint out, that is also your personal choice. Telling we should be ashamed is improper without giving an explanation. Apparently you are content leaving the ideas and opinions here, or you would do something to make the changes you desire.
I have changed several views since I came to this forum. I have taken new stances on several issues. I used to support pro-choice for abortions fully. I now support pro-life in all issues including abortions. I do not support the initiation of the use of force on anyone to inflict my views on anyone else though.
Others are pro-choice on abortion, but anti choice on gun rights. They want to use the force of law against me, but I do not wish to use the force of law against their pro-abortion stance.
Other so called pro-lifers accept and agree with pre-emptive killings without due process. That is hardly a pro-life stance, and I disagree completely. They condone crossing borders of other nations to kill those who they feel deserve it. Again, that is a pro-death viewpoint, not a pro-life stance. Getting mad at those who seek to end killings, abortions and treat people fairly and equally, telling box "we should get away from these horrible people" implies you are one of the pro-death supporters.
Have it your way, call us names, shout out that we are a disgrace to Rotterdam. I don't care what you call me or how you interpret my words. I've been call a right wing extremist, a left wing socialist, a mental case, a terrorist sympathizer for not supporting the ultra conservative high security police state ideas coming forth. Please feel free to add your holocaust denier label to me as well.
But don't ever think I'm going to stop speaking out against what I believe to be atrocities, racism, inequality or fascism, because you are offended.
Yossi reminds me of a smoke detector... he barks when there is enough smoke and goes back to sleep until the next time the oven door is opened after using the broiler...
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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