For a little perspective on Gun Deaths... it's often the OPPOSITE of L4life, or Henery's posts... Where a Gun in the Home for Self Protection turns out to do the exact opposite.
[NOTE: I could post 500 cases (this year) but since I'm not OCD like L4Life, I'll just post a few examples of the gun carnage in the US today... Or, if necessary, I could post 500 examples for those who need it.]
-On July 19, 4-year-old Dylan Jackson shot himself to death after finding a loaded gun at a friend's home during a birthday party.
- A 3-year-old Southeast Washington boy shot himself in the foot and grazed his hand while playing with his father's gun -- which he found lying on the floor.
- A 2-year-old Tampa boy shot himself in the chest with a loaded 9 mm he found in his parent's couch while playing.
- Last February, a 13-year-old boy shot himself with a semiautomatic handgun in the home of his guardian, a Maryland police officer.
- The 10-year-old son of a New York City police officer died after shooting himself in the face with his father's loaded revolver. The boy found the weapon on a shelf in the basement while looking for a ball his mom had hidden.
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~ 5,740 Children and Teens were Killed by Guns in 2008 and 2009
~ In 2008, 2,947 children and teens died from guns in the United States and 2,793 died in 2009 for a total of 5,740- Was greater than the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan 5,013.
~ The number of preschoolers killed by guns in 2008 (88) and in 2009 (85) was nearly double the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in 2008 (41) and 2009 (48).
~ Data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States.
~ 34,387 children and teens were injured by guns in 2008 and 2009 was more than the number of U.S. military personnel wounded in actionin Iraq (32,223) and more than double the number wounded in action in Afghanistan (15,438).
The youngest victim of the Sandy Hook Shooting was six-year-old Noah Pozner, he was shot 11 times.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yup when you have kids around you need to take precautions, just like I can list over 100,000 cases of kids who were accidentely poisoned last year. Guns just like harmfull cleaning products need to be stored safely.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Yup when you have kids around you need to take precautions, just like I can list over 100,000 cases of kids who were accidentely poisoned last year. Guns just like harmfull cleaning products need to be stored safely.
So you would support gun laws that require safe storage, and penalties for those who don't???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So you would support gun laws that require safe storage, and penalties for those who don't???
You don't need laws because laws don't stop crimes, we need responsibility. I have no problems with guns being loaded in a house as long as everyone in that house knows how to use it and know not to mess with it unless need be. If you have little ones then yes keep it out of their reach. As for penalties I think they pay enough when a accident takes place.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Box's logic is that guns are unnecessary because idiots are allowed to own them.
He uses the children as his argument.
He ignores the fact that home invasions are climbing every year and no end is in sight.
Cops kill innocent people every day but that's ok with him.
Drones kill innocent people every day and that's ok too.
But law abiding gun owners that act negligently is justification to disarm all of society?
Send these irresponsible gun owners to jail for decades when they cause death or injury.
Guns are a necessity.
Irresponsible gun owners are a liability, not a necessity.
I agree gun deaths caused by negligence must be addressed. Not by disarming all of (legal)society in the process.
Again, accidental deaths and injuries by firearms is not the leading cause of death and injuries.
His personal issue with guns makes him ignore leading causes of death and injury for his personal mission to grab all the guns. He claims he supports gun ownership and good gun laws. He clearly does not. No current or proposed gun law will stop legal guns from being left carelessly around by idiots.
Now the issue of him mocking me for posting home invasions and people defending themselves successfully. This goes against his gun grabbing mission and therefore he ridicules and diverts away from the issue. He makes no attempt to discuss or present a counter argument. He simply mocks and pulls out his bag of medical/mental disorders to label me, thereby making all of my posts invalid.
You don't need laws because laws don't stop crimes, we need responsibility. I have no problems with guns being loaded in a house as long as everyone in that house knows how to use it and know not to mess with it unless need be.
Adam Lanza's mom didn't lock her guns and Adam knew how to use them. As a result we are now having this discussion. Had those guns been locked that shooting may have never taken place.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So you would support gun laws that require safe storage, and penalties for those who don't???
We already have laws against negligence around kids. Try enforcing them.
Gun inspections, storage inspections and a complete database of every gun in the country is absolutely not the solution. I would be against any gun laws that try to use force to make every gun owner meet government standards for safe gun ownership. The government has no magic plan that can eliminate stupidity. Passing restrictive gun laws would only lead to more laws not being followed.
Half of the deaths and injuries from guns left at home would not have occurred if the person was freely given a concealed carry license. The safest place for a gun is in the personal control of the owner. Denying him the right to keep control at all times, then being pissed when he leaves the weapon home for kids to find it is not in the interest of child protection.
The government has no proven track record when it comes to safety. More than half of all police and military deaths are caused by government guns by way of suicide.
Why aren't you shouting concern for the dead soldiers and cops that could be saved?
Answer: Because guns are necessary.
The same applies to the protection of the citizens. Guns are necessary.
Adam Lanza's mom didn't lock her guns and Adam knew how to use them. As a result we are now having this discussion. Had those guns been locked that shooting may have never taken place.
Had he not killed his mom first she could have been be charged with the actions committed by her weapons and the associated negligence.
Had all police guns be locked in a gun safe at the end of each sift, they would likely have fewer suicides.
Stop using the dead children to advance your cause. You fear gun owners. Plain and simple.
Not just the negligent ones. You want all to be disarmed. It's clear based on every post you make.
Had he not killed his mom first she could have been be charged with the actions committed by her weapons and the associated negligence. Had all police guns be locked in a gun safe at the end of each sift, they would likely have fewer suicides. Stop using the dead children to advance your cause. You fear gun owners. Plain and simple. Not just the negligent ones. You want all to be disarmed. It's clear based on every post you make.
I don't "fear gun owners", many are just like me, even NRA members and I agree on many issues concerning gun control. I fear Right Wing Crazies who consider themselves above the law and use violence to solve their personal issues with the majority of US citizens.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So you would support gun laws that require safe storage, and penalties for those who don't???
would you support the tearing down of our current feed system for the masses? because that's just a slow death of malnourishment, obesity, diabetes etc etc....
conventional wisdom(government) has been providing the wheat the fills the bellies of the plebs so they cry like baby birds and flock to the bird feeder called government stores of grain.....
slow death with a master in charge.....
as for guns....what's the difference to you?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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