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Box A Rox
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Since 1968, "more Americans have died from gunfire than died in
all the wars of this country's history."

Mark Shields



http://www.politifact.com/trut.....ys-more-killed-guns/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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How many HUMANS died at the hands of American soldiers?  I noticed this didn't measure that.  You add Hiroshima and Nagasaki along with the millions of Vietmamese kill by the hands of Americans I suspect you get quite a different number.  But of course, those lives are meaningless, only American lives matter.  What a crock.  There goes box cherry picking statistics to fit his agenda.


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How many HUMANS died at the hands of American soldiers?  I noticed this didn't measure that.  You add Hiroshima and Nagasaki along with the millions of Vietmamese kill by the hands of Americans I suspect you get quite a different number.  But of course, those lives are meaningless, only American lives matter.  What a crock.  There goes box cherry picking statistics to fit his agenda.


I was going to mention that myself,


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Box A Rox
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Not a word of the post is mine... they belong to Mark Shields.  Not my problem if you don't agree with the facts.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Since 1968, "more Americans have died from gunfire than died in
all the wars of this country's history."

Mark Shields



Of course this is true because we haven't had any declared wars in that time period.

Declared wars would have had many more casualties than preemptive attacks on people who never did
anything to us..


Why pick 1968 deliberately leaving out the massive deaths of the real declared wars?

He used partial stats to suit his own agenda.


Plus he didn't mention that most miltary deaths are self inflicted suicides.

Just as most police deaths are suicides.


Box always finds the twisted logic for his argument.

How about posting a fact like more people have died from gunfire since the escalation of the drug war
than all the years between the end of prohibition and the drug war prohibition escalation.


Drug war = Gangsters.




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Since 1968, "more Americans have died from gunfire than died in
all the wars of this country's history."



Here’s a summary of deaths by major conflict:
Revolutionary War     
4,435
War of 1812     
2,260
Mexican War     
13,283
Civil War (Union and Confederate, estimated)     
525,000
Spanish-American War     
2,446
World War I     
116,516
World War II     
405,399
Korean War     
36,574
Vietnam War     
58,220
Persian Gulf War     
383
Afghanistan War     
2,175
Iraq War     
4,486
362 deaths resulted from other conflicts since 1980, such as interventions in Lebanon,
Grenada, Panama, Somalia and Haiti.

Total     
1,171,177


Another 362 deaths resulted from other conflicts since 1980, such as interventions in Lebanon,
Grenada, Panama, Somalia and Haiti.

Gunfire Deaths since 1968:

1968 to 1980      377,000
1981 to 1998      620,525
1999 to 2010      364,483
2011      32,163

Total     1,384,171


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2011      32,163



Really your going to count people killed by cops, accidents and police suicides in your gun deaths?

You really do know how to justify by using false logic.

All homicides

    Number of deaths: 16,259

Firearm homicides

    Number of deaths: 11,078


Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. Of the 30,470 firearm-related
deaths in the United States in 2010, 19,392 (63.6%) were suicide deaths, and 11,078 (36.4%) homicide
deaths


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That's 0.000035% of the population that dies from gun homicides.
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The American people kill themselves more often than they are killed in homicides.

The US police kill themselves more often than they are killed in homicides.

The US military kill themselves more often than they are killed by enemies.

Guns are not the problem.

It is just dangerous to live near the suicidal/homicidal Americans.
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That's 0.000035% of the population that dies from gun homicides.


An insignificant number, barely worth mentioning... just as insignificant as these deaths below,
to you an insignificant number of deaths:


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An insignificant number, barely worth mentioning... just as insignificant as these deaths below,
to you an insignificant number of deaths:


Hundreds of kids die in car crashes each week.

You just can't see past the sky that is falling.


Drones kill more kids.

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Gunfire Deaths since 1968:

1968 to 1980      377,000
1981 to 1998      620,525
1999 to 2010      364,483
2011      32,163

Total     1,384,171



We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides, according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone.

1,384,171  

Homicide by firearm = 346,043

Accidental/Suicide Death = 1,038,128

Death by military homicide =  1,171,177




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Hundreds of kids die in car crashes each week.
You just can't see past the sky that is falling.

Drones kill more kids.


L4Life... I would had have favored laws that save lives on the highways. Motorcycle helmet laws,
seatbelt laws, DWI laws, and all have saved lives.

I support good gun laws for the same reason... and I know you will find this hard to understand...
even if those laws only save the lives of .1% of Americans.

Good gun laws are Constitutional and do save lives.


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An insignificant number, barely worth mentioning... just as insignificant as these deaths below,
to you an insignificant number of deaths:


Look at box posting all the white kids again.  I guess he still hasn't found a website that put together a collage of some of the 500 dead minorities from Chicago in 2012.  


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We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides,...


Cicero (for once) is correct.  These numbers are for all gunfire related deaths.  Not just homicides.
  All the 15 year old boys who shoot themselves because their 14 year old girlfriend dumps them...
I care about those kids.

All the little 5 year olds who find their dads gun and accidentaly kill themselves or kill their 3 year old
brother... I care about them.

All the dead neighbors who die because the guy next door shot them when he mistook them for a
burglar...
yea I care about them too.

And although they don't deserves it... All the dumb@sses who shoot themselves while playing with guns,
cleaning their guns or showing off in front of others... I care about them too, but I don't know why.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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