Not every citizen falls under the heading of "WE" as 50% of the population does not approve of what's being done to our country so we have 50% that may be sovereign terrorists according to the governments point of  view.

Quoted from Shadow

Not every citizen falls under the heading of "WE" as 50% of the population does not approve of what's being done to our country so we have 50% that may be sovereign terrorists according to the governments point of  view.

Had Mittens Romney won the election last month (GAG!) I would be a part of the 'other' 50 %... but
I wouldn't be a Tax Evading, Cop Shooting, Deadbeat Sovereign... neither are most of the Republicans
who make up the 50% who don't approve of Obama.

That is very true but there are people on your side of the political spectrum that would. Most people don't want to become violent and harm anyone but a small percentage does and at times the government lumps all who don't believe as they do to be a problem and oversteps their authority.

Quoted from Shadow

That is very true but there are people on your side of the political spectrum that would. Most people don't want to become violent and harm anyone but a small percentage does and at times the government lumps all who don't believe as they do to be a problem and oversteps their authority.

To my knowledge, any citizen who works with in the system to change the law has no problem with the
US govt.  Groups like the Black Panthers in the 70's, The Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and similar
groups HAVE broken the law, committed murder arson, extortion etc, and other acts of terror.

Quoted from Box A Rox

To my knowledge, any citizen who works with in the system to change the law has no problem with the
US govt.  Groups like the Black Panthers in the 70's, The Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and similar
groups HAVE broken the law, committed murder arson, extortion etc, and other acts of terror.

The system consists of violence, abuse, murder and overstepping authority that often disallows changes from being made
by virtue of imprisonment and/or loss of voting rights.

Most people call that Communism.

How many innocent people have been killed this year by out of control police officers who have broken down the door of a home and shot it's owner to death only to find out that they had the wrong house. Veterans of Iraq war imprisoned for 30 days without being told of why. These types of actions cause some people to fear their government is overstepping their authority.

Quoted from Shadow

How many innocent people have been killed this year by out of control police officers who have broken down the door of a home and shot it's owner to death only to find out that they had the wrong house. Veterans of Iraq war imprisoned for 30 days without being told of why. These types of actions cause some people to fear their government is overstepping their authority.

Those things do OCCASIONALLY happen.  There is a faction of Right Wing Media that portrays it as
the norm, not an aberration.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Those things do OCCASIONALLY happen.  There is a faction of Right Wing Media that portrays it as
the norm, not an aberration.

100 times more people were killed this year at the hands of the government, then at the hands of sovereign citizens.

Thousands more were beaten tortured and/or imprisoned.

Every atrocity creates another sovereign government hater.

Arresting the symptom without addressing the cause will never work.

ATF/Waco = McVeigh/Oklahoma City. He said so.

Crazy woman in NYC pushes Hindu/Muslim person into the subway because she believed it was the right
thing to do because they attacked her city first.

Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.

Those who hold high places must be the ones who start.

Lead by example. Show the people civilized behavior, to mimic for a change.

It happened far too many times last year and it was all over the country so something is wrong that had better be corrected or more states may do what Indiana did:  

Published: 11 June, 2012,
Hold onto your holsters, folks: shooting a cop dead is now legal in the state of Indiana.

Governor Mitch Daniels, a Republican, has authorized changes to a 2006 legislation that legalizes the use of deadly force on a public servant — including an officer of the law — in cases of “unlawful intrusion.” Proponents of both the Second and Fourth Amendments — those that allow for the ownership of firearms and the security against unlawful searches, respectively — are celebrating the update by saying it ensures that residents are protected from authorities that abuse the powers of the badge.

Quoted from Shadow

It happened far too many times last year and it was all over the country so something is wrong that had better be corrected or more states may do what Indiana did:  

Published: 11 June, 2012,
Hold onto your holsters, folks: shooting a cop dead is now legal in the state of Indiana.

Governor Mitch Daniels, a Republican, has authorized changes to a 2006 legislation that legalizes the use of deadly force on a public servant — including an officer of the law — in cases of “unlawful intrusion.” Proponents of both the Second and Fourth Amendments — those that allow for the ownership of firearms and the security against unlawful searches, respectively — are celebrating the update by saying it ensures that residents are protected from authorities that abuse the powers of the badge.

Indiana is a right to life state.

They allow you to always defend yourself.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

100 times more people were killed this year at the hands of the government, then at the hands of sovereign citizens.
Thousands more were beaten tortured and/or imprisoned.
Every atrocity creates another sovereign government hater.
Arresting the symptom without addressing the cause will never work.
ATF/Waco = McVeigh/Oklahoma City. He said so.
Crazy woman in NYC pushes Hindu/Muslim person into the subway because she believed it was the right
thing to do because they attacked her city first.
Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
Those who hold high places must be the ones who start.
Lead by example. Show the people civilized behavior, to mimic for a change.

What a crazy post!!!

I'm amazed that you buy into this crap... just look at your own words:

~Every atrocity creates another sovereign government hater.
I abhor the atrocities... but it makes me want to change the system, not get a gun shoot a cop and join the
Sovereign Crazies.

~ATF/Waco = McVeigh/Oklahoma City. He said so.
So you believe the word of a mass murderer with an agenda??? Suppose McVeigh said he blew up that
building because he didn't like the color of the building... would you believe that too... or only believe
what fits your agenda?

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
The actual 'cause' of Hitlers rise to power was the world economic meltdown caused by the Great Depression.
Ted Bundy's cause was that he hated women and enjoyed killing them.

~Those who hold high places must be the ones who start.
Lead by example. Show the people civilized behavior, to mimic for a change.
Ghandi started on the bottom with no power... Martin Luther King started on the bottom as a minister
with no power and both won.  They led by example, but they weren't the ones in power.

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
Yea... sometimes the 'cause' is... I wanted his sneakers and he wouldn't give them to me... so I killed him.

Quoted from Box A Rox

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
The actual 'cause' of Hitlers rise to power was the world economic meltdown caused by the Great Depression.

The Treaty of Versailles was the cause to Hitlers rise to power.  The lose of colonies in the agreement crippled the German economy.  He signed the the non-aggression pact with Stalin to split Poland and invaded Poland to reclaim land that he believed was rightfully German land.

The cause of of Hitler was The Treaty of Versailles that punished the German people for WWI.  LOL - The "world economic meltdown".

Quoted from Box A Rox

What a crazy post!!!

I'm amazed that you buy into this crap... just look at your own words:

~Every atrocity creates another sovereign government hater.
I abhor the atrocities... but it makes me want to change the system, not get a gun shoot a cop and join the
Sovereign Crazies.

~ATF/Waco = McVeigh/Oklahoma City. He said so.
So you believe the word of a mass murderer with an agenda??? Suppose McVeigh said he blew up that
building because he didn't like the color of the building... would you believe that too... or only believe
what fits your agenda?

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
The actual 'cause' of Hitlers rise to power was the world economic meltdown caused by the Great Depression.
Ted Bundy's cause was that he hated women and enjoyed killing them.

~Those who hold high places must be the ones who start.
Lead by example. Show the people civilized behavior, to mimic for a change.
Ghandi started on the bottom with no power... Martin Luther King started on the bottom as a minister
with no power and both won.  They led by example, but they weren't the ones in power.

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
Yea... sometimes the 'cause' is... I wanted his sneakers and he wouldn't give them to me... so I killed him.

So your basic argument is that actions don't equal reactions.

You failed today's physics test miserably.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

It doesn't say except for government atrocities.

Every spoken word, every step you take, every law you pass, every life you take.

You can't deny physics.

Everything is energy.

All actions have a reaction.

All actions have a cause.

You are in denial.

Quoted from Box A Rox

I abhor the atrocities... but it makes me want to change the system, not get a gun shoot a cop and join the
Sovereign Crazies.

Well you aren't the reaction. You are an uninterested observer. The victims friends and families will be the reaction.

Quoted from Box A Rox

~ATF/Waco = McVeigh/Oklahoma City. He said so.
So you believe the word of a mass murderer with an agenda??? Suppose McVeigh said he blew up that
building because he didn't like the color of the building... would you believe that too...

When someone commits murder and says it was payback, I tend to believe them.

You refuse to accept that people do commit payback.

Quoted from Box A Rox

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
The actual 'cause' of Hitlers rise to power was the world economic meltdown caused by the Great Depression.
Ted Bundy's cause was that he hated women and enjoyed killing them.

Hitler, you are an idiot. He massacred Jews wholesale because he blamed their Liberal assez for all the ills of society.

Quoted from Box A Rox

~Those who hold high places must be the ones who start.
Lead by example. Show the people civilized behavior, to mimic for a change.
Ghandi started on the bottom with no power... Martin Luther King started on the bottom as a minister
with no power and both won.  They led by example, but they weren't the ones in power.

And is India being led by example now?

India went on to develop nuclear weapons.

Quoted from Box A Rox

~Killers don't spontaneously appear without a cause.
Yea... sometimes the 'cause' is... I wanted his sneakers and he wouldn't give them to me... so I killed him.

And every atrocity victim had friends and families that will get revenge.

You drone a man off the face of the Earth and all his descendants swear an oath to destroy the US.

Good work.

They don't hate us because of our freedoms.

They hate us because of our actions.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Well you aren't the reaction. You are an uninterested observer. The victims friends and families will be the reaction.



When someone commits murder and says it was payback, I tend to believe them.

You refuse to accept that people do commit payback.



Hitler, you are an idiot. He massacred Jews wholesale because he blamed their Liberal assez for all the ills of society.



And is India being led by example now?

India went on to develop nuclear weapons.



And every atrocity victim had friends and families that will get revenge.

You drone a man off the face of the Earth and all his descendants swear an oath to destroy the US.

Good work.

They don't hate us because of our freedoms.

They hate us because of our actions.

Plus, try learning how to quote, genius.

The commands are open quote: [quote=2543

And close quote: [/quote

Add the last bracket to each.

10,000 posts and you still haven't learned how to quote properly.

You must be learning disabled.