Quoted from Box A Rox

A systematic group of 'criminals', similar to Mafia type Organized Crime, has much larger implications.  
And, a group who's purpose is to overthrow the government of the USA involves EVERY AMERICAN
CITIZEN.  All 300,000,000+ of us.  (Except for you of course... you're an I, not a WE!)

Hahahahahahhahaha!!!!

Are they criminals or terrorists?  Fake license plates and filming police stops is going to overthrow the U.S. government.  HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

I see the hallucinations are back box.  Whatever you're on, do you have enough for everybody?

Quoted from CICERO

What does this have to do with anything?  More red herrings.  You do understand that the federal government has MUCH more power than the average citizen and that due process was established to protect the average citizen from the abuse of that power right?  

I still am impressed by the sheer power of government propaganda that has been able to make you absolutely positive that Awlaki was a "known" terrorist and intended to "kill as many Americans as possible" without the victim getting a chance to make his case.(even after the execution)

You are a danger to liberty and a friend to tyranny.  

Yea... just what I thought.  
Cic values a terrorists life above the rest of America's lives.  Cops are the ENEMY and the rest of
America is 'expendable'.

Quoted from CICERO

The government is more concerned about the idea spreading.  They could care less about people getting killed.  When is the last time the federal government cared about that?  They need to make sure more people don't start adopting the individualist philosophy and disengage from and operating outside the governments compulsory systems.  

I predict homeschoolers will be the next group to be demagogued.

This whole thing is a joke, the sovereign movement is a idea not a group as box would like one to believe. To box it is the idea that is dangerous, for a man to be his own person and not have to live under the consent of big brother is I guess terrorism now To bad for box that idea is spreading very fast and giving that idea a bad label like terrorist isn't going to stop it.

Quoted from Henry

This whole thing is a joke, the sovereign movement is a idea not a group as box would like one to believe. To box it is the idea that is dangerous, for a man to be his own person and not have to live under the consent of big brother is I guess terrorism now To bad for box that idea is spreading very fast and giving that idea a bad label like terrorist isn't going to stop it.

Their IDEAS make no difference to me.  IMO, the more varied opinions in America, the better we all are.

If those ideas are illegal, conspiracy to commit murder for example, then they should be treated like criminals.
Their tax views don't bother me a bit, as long as they follow the law.  They consider themselves to be
OUTSIDE THE LAW.  Can you imagine this one... If you spell your name in all capital letters, it doesn't refer
to them and so are absolved from any document signed that way.  Ridiculous!

If the Sovereign Citizens object to paying taxes, they should work to have those tax laws changed.  The
Amish can opt out of Social Security (and not collect benefits)... they changed the laws to fit their
IDEALS.  
Tax laws are constantly being changed... the Sovereigns can change those laws too... or... they can go
shoot a cop.  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Yea... just what I thought.  
Cic values a terrorists life above the rest of America's lives.  Cops are the ENEMY and the rest of
America is 'expendable'.

Box values lawlessness by government agents while condemning lawlessness by the American citizen.  There are two separate rules. Enforcers of laws are not themselves accountable to them.  We can use Waco, Ruby Ridge and now the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen by drone as just a few examples.  But Oklahoma City?  WHOOOOOOH!  Those were government agents that were killed, not right wing "extremist" like in Waco and Ruby ridge.(How many government agents went to prison after Waco and Ruby Ridge?)

American citizens are the ENEMY and the rule of law is now 'expendable'.(supported by box-a-rox)

2.3 million Americans in jail, perpetual wars around the world, spying, wiretapping, extrajudicial killing of U.S. citizens, and a presidential secret "kill list".  These are the things box values

Sovereign Citizens have killed 600%, 700% or 800%  more US Citizens than Drones have.
Yet Cic worries about the Al Qaeda terrorist, at the expense of the hard working, taxpayers
killed by the Domestic Terrorists at Sovereign.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Sovereign Citizens have killed 600%, 700% or 800%  more US Citizens than Drones have.  

The ATF didn't have drone technology in 1993 when they massacred the Branch Davidian.  

So far the drones killed two U.S. citizen(that we know of) and due process for 300 million Americans, as well as the extrajudicial killing of countless more around the world by the hands of the U.S. CIVILIAN Intelligence agency.  But I know you are not concerned about due process and secret kill lists.  But government agents - they are sacred servants that we must bow and worship, and any criticism of the government agent you are not only a heretic, but now a potential "terrorist".   Worship at the altar of the federal government, if you speak ill of the holy government agent you are subject to be killed or jailed.

The left(box included) argued that Gitmo and torture was creating MORE "terrorists" and made us less safe.  Now...Gitmo is golden, and drone strikes don't create more terrorists and it is keeping us more safe.  It's amazing what happens when a leader from a different party adopts his predecessors policies and how the once opposition turns to fervent support for the same policies.

In general, most sovereign citizens look at the tyrannical policies of the U.S. government and say 'I don't want any part of that'.

p.s.

Remember when box said that I and all Americans support our governments military actions because I pay my taxes that pay for the wars?  If I said I was going to stop paying my federal taxes because I oppose the war, Box would call me a sovereign citizen terrorist.  

Quoted from CICERO

p.s.
Remember when box said that I and all Americans support our governments military actions because I pay my taxes that pay for the wars?  If I said I was going to stop paying my federal taxes because I oppose the war, Box would call me a sovereign citizen terrorist.  

No. I'dd call you a loser deadbeat who uses the services, but lets the rest of us pay your tax bill.  

Cic is an "I".  He's in this alone.  He's not a part of "America"... he just takes up space here.

Quoted from Box A Rox
A murder over $10 in a bar has little consequences beyond the people involved...
A systematic group of 'criminals', similar to Mafia type Organized Crime, has much larger implications.  
And, a group who's purpose is to overthrow the government of the USA involves EVERY AMERICAN
CITIZEN.  All 300,000,000+ of us.  (Except for you of course... you're an I, not a WE!)

Quoted from CICERO

Hahahahahahhahaha!!!!
Are they criminals or terrorists?  Fake license plates and filming police stops is going to overthrow the U.S. government.  HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
I see the hallucinations are back box.  Whatever you're on, do you have enough for everybody?

Cic just peed his pants laughing.  He should read the post again and maybe he'd stop peeing about
his lack of reading comprehension.

I'll break it down for you so you can understand it Cic:

1. "A murder over $10 in a bar has little consequences beyond the people involved..."
Very little consequences for the public at large.

2. "A systematic group of 'criminals', similar to Mafia type Organized Crime, has much larger implications."
Organized Crime impacts a much larger segment of the American Public.

3. "And, a group who's purpose is to overthrow the government of the USA "
Involves EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN.  All 300,000,000+ of us.

I can make it simpler... but maybe you should get IRA to explain it to ya...
Now go clean up the pee.    

Yes, the sovereign citizen movement has really crippled the US.  They theaten to take down America.  They are so relevant box linked information from 2011.  It will be 2013 in less than 6 hours.

Box is peddling irrational fear in an attempt to demagogue people he disagrees with politically.  SOP for box.

I told you the left will wii attempt to destroy its own citizens that no longer consent to the fraudulent government.  

Sorry box, you can't stop an idea no matter how hard you try.  If the government loses the consent of the governed, it collapses.  

Quoted from CICERO

Yes, the sovereign citizen movement has really crippled the US.  They theaten to take down America.  They are so relevant box linked information from 2011.  It will be 2013 in less than 6 hours.

Box is peddling irrational fear in an attempt to demagogue people he disagrees with politically.  SOP for box.

I told you the left will wii attempt to destroy its own citizens that no longer consent to the fraudulent government.  

Sorry box, you can't stop an idea no matter how hard you try.  If the government loses the consent of the governed, it collapses.  

I know this is totally foreign to you Cic... but We are the govt.  (Not You of Course... You are into yourself
and not part of anything bigger than you.)  The rest of us... WE The People, ARE The GOVT.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Poor George... he just wanted to be left alone.  (So did his slaves)  

I believe he wanted the British to stay the hell out of his wallet.

He also wanted to travel freely without showing his papers.

Those are sovereign beliefs.

Quoted from Henry

This whole thing is a joke, the sovereign movement is a idea not a group as box would like one to believe. To box it is the idea that is dangerous, for a man to be his own person and not have to live under the consent of big brother is I guess terrorism now To bad for box that idea is spreading very fast and giving that idea a bad label like terrorist isn't going to stop it.

Jesus was a Sovereign Citizen.

He answered only to God.

He would be beat to death in the US for failure to obey.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

I believe he wanted the British to stay the hell out of his wallet.
He also wanted to travel freely without showing his papers.
Those are sovereign beliefs.

Had George been captured, he would have rightly been tried for treason.

During the American Revolution, American General Benedict Arnold meets with British Major John
Andre to discuss handing over West Point to the British, in return for the promise of a large sum
of money and a high position in the British army. The plot was foiled and Arnold, a former American
hero, became synonymous with the word "traitor.
Had a few details changed in our Revolution, George Washington might have had the title of Traitor.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Jesus was a Sovereign Citizen.
He answered only to God.
He would be beat to death in the US for failure to obey.

From my limited exposure to the Christian bible, I DO remember that Christ said:
Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”
Jesus said "Pay your taxes!"  Jesus was on the side of the Govt, not the Sovereigns.
Mark 12:17