Sovereign Citizens
A Growing Domestic Threat to Law Enforcement
By the FBI’s Counterterrorism Analysis Section

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-servi.....1/sovereign-citizens

LOL!

They aren't laughing.

Bob Paudert (center) struggles to hold back tears as Sheriff Steve Burns (right) of Greene County
leads a moment of silence on April 7, 2011, in honor of his son Sgt. Brandon Paudert and officer
Bill Evans who were killed by members of the Sovereign Citizens movement at a traffic stop last
May. Jerry Kane, along with his 16-year-old son, Joseph, shot and killed the two officers. The
Kane's were later killed in a Walmart parking lot after an intense manhunt and shootout with
local law enforcement.

I think you tried to start this thread a few months ago box.  You're scared of people that don't want to pay taxes and make fake license plates.  lol

These people are square pegs that won't fit in governments round holes.  Now they have to try to hammer them in.  

The question is never presented, what is the cause and effect of this so-called "growing domestic threat"?  Why is it growing?  Let me guess what the first answer will be - they are racists that don't like Obama.  That's usually the default position, because then they are not only a "domestic threat" they are racists.  That's a two-fer smear.

Quoted from CICERO

I think you tried to start this thread a few months ago box.  You're scared of people that don't want to pay taxes and make fake license plates.  lol

These people are square pegs that won't fit in governments round holes.  Now they have to try to hammer them in.  

The question is never presented, what is the cause and effect of this so-called "growing domestic threat"?  Why is it growing?  Let me guess what the first answer will be - they are racists that don't like Obama.  That's usually the default position, because then they are not only a "domestic threat" they are racists.  That's a two-fer smear.

You should be able to answer that question better than I.  You already subscribe to their agenda.

Quoted from CICERO

These people are square pegs that won't fit in governments round holes.  

George Washington was a square peg.

Quoted from Box A Rox

You should be able to answer that question better than I.  You already subscribe to their agenda.

What makes you say that?  Because I question the actions of the U.S. government?  Back in the 60's that was revered, now it's a "domestic threat".  I think Nixon labelled the "hippie" or "counter culture" movement during the 60's as a domestic threat. Those long haired hippies caused a lot of violence and social upheaval.  They were the government boogiemen of their day.  

Instead of coming from the left like during the 60's, this cultural revolution is coming from the right.  I fear that the lefts response will be much more violent than the right's response in Nixon's day.

Yup you posted this before box and you also used the 1 murder story that were connected to them. In the time between these topics by box the Mexican cartels killed thousands, gangs within the US have killed hundreds if not thousands of American citizens, but lets waste our resources on a group of people who just want to be left alone.

Quoted from CICERO

What makes you say that?  Because I question the actions of the U.S. government?  Back in the 60's that was revered, now it's a "domestic threat".  I think Nixon labelled the "hippie" or "counter culture" movement during the 60's as a domestic threat. Those long haired hippies caused a lot of violence and social upheaval.  They were the government boogiemen of their day.  

Instead of coming from the left like during the 60's, this cultural revolution is coming from the right.  I fear that the lefts response will be much more violent than the right's response in Nixon's day.

the hippies were only concerned about the safety of their own candy a$$es.....then they got elected and think that
their views are  the new god.....
'never trust the older generation' 'don't trust anyone over 30'

Greenwich Village couple busted with cache of weapons, bombmaking explosives: sources

    By JAMIE SCHRAM, ANTONIO ANTENUCCI and MATT MCNULTY
    Last Updated: 6:25 AM, December 31, 2012
    Posted: 2:51 AM, December 31, 2012

The privileged daughter of a prominent city doctor, and her boyfriend — a Harvard grad and Occupy Wall Street activist — have been busted for allegedly having a cache of weapons and a bombmaking explosive in their Greenwich Village apartment.

Morgan Gliedman — who is nine-months pregnant — and her baby daddy, Aaron Greene, 31, also had instructions on making bombs, including a stack of papers with a cover sheet titled, “The Terrorist Encyclopedia,’’ sources told The Post yesterday.

Morgan Gliedman, daughter of Realtor Susyn Schops Gliedman and prominent doctor Paul Gliedman, was busted at this building with her OWS boyfriend.
William Farrington
Morgan Gliedman, daughter of Realtor Susyn Schops Gliedman and prominent doctor Paul Gliedman, was busted at this building with her OWS boyfriend.

Cops found the stash in the couple’s West Ninth Street home Saturday when they went there to look for Gliedman, 27, who was wanted for alleged credit-card theft.

A detective discovered a plastic container with seven grams of a white chemical powder called HMTD, which is so powerful, cops evacuated several nearby buildings.

Police also found a flare launcher, which is a commercial replica of a grenade launcher; a modified 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun; ammo; and nine high-capacity rifle magazines, the sources said.

Cops also allegedly uncovered papers about creating homemade booby traps, improvised submachine guns, and various handwritten notebooks containing chemical formulas.

The couple’s arrest Saturday was a sharp turn from their privileged backgrounds.

Gliedman, who grew up on Park Avenue, graduated from Dalton in 2002. Her dad, Dr. Paul Gliedman, is director of radiation oncology at Beth Israel Hospital, Brooklyn Division.

Paul Gliedman — who was included in New York magazine’s list of top doctors in 2011 — received his medical degree from Columbia University.

Morgan’s mother, Susyn Schops Gliedman, is a realtor with Prudential Douglas Elliman.

Greene attended Harvard as an undergraduate and did his graduate work at the university’s Kennedy School of Government.

He has five prior run-ins with the police, with the charges including, assault, and weapons possession, sources said.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bombmaking_in_the_village_LoRDqNzP02SDZyfC1pLVXN

Quoted from Henry

but lets waste our resources on a group of people who just want to be left alone.

The government is more concerned about the idea spreading.  They could care less about people getting killed.  When is the last time the federal government cared about that?  They need to make sure more people don't start adopting the individualist philosophy and disengage from and operating outside the governments compulsory systems.  

I predict homeschoolers will be the next group to be demagogued.

All we need in the USA to totally ban "home schooling" is for the majority of Muslims to begin the practice.
It's OK for Christians, but if any other group 'home schools'... THEY WILL BE SEEN AS ANTI AMERICAN
RADICALS, bordering on terrorists.

Quoted from Box A Rox

All we need in the USA to totally ban "home schooling" is for the majority of Muslims to begin the practice.
It's OK for Christians, but if any other group 'home schools'... THEY WILL BE SEEN AS ANTI AMERICAN
RADICALS, bordering on terrorists.

What does religion have to do with it?  Do you stereo type home schooling with religion?

The problem the statists have with home schooling is they can't indoctrinate children to pledge allegiance and feed them the state approved curriculum.  They would then be sovereign schoolers.  We can't have people sovereign of state curricululm.  

Hey box, why do you call them sovereign terrorist?  Is everybody a terrorist now?  If you avoid paying taxes and forge a license plate you are a terrorist?  I thought terrorism was using fear to change government policy.  The sovereign citizens in general are not doing that, they are disengaging and operating outside the government systems.  They are doing quite the opposite of terror.  They don't believe in the legitimacy of government, they aren't trying to change government policy by intimidating the masses with huge acts of violence.  

The belief that the governent doesn't have a right to your money is now terrorism.  WOW

Quoted from Henry

Yup you posted this before box and you also used the 1 murder story that were connected to them. In the time between these topics by box the Mexican cartels killed thousands, gangs within the US have killed hundreds if not thousands of American citizens, but lets waste our resources on a group of people who just want to be left alone.

Really?  ONLY ONE MURDER STORY???

Convicted Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols was a member of the sovereign citizen
movement, having asserted individual sovereignty in at least three court cases...

Nichols was convicted of:
~conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction,
~ eight counts of involuntary manslaughter for killing federal law enforcement personnel.
~  He was convicted in 2004 of 161 counts of first degree murder
~ first-degree arson; and conspiracy.
~ He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole.
How did you put it???
"lets waste our resources on a group of people who just want to be left alone."
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On June 18, 2012, Sovergn Citizen Shaffer Cox  wasfound guilty of conspiracy to commit
murder.
"lets waste our resources on a group of people who just want to be left alone."
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An Alaska couple who are anti-government “sovereign citizens” face lengthy prison terms after
pleading guilty Monday to charges they plotted to kill a federal judge and an IRS agent
involved in a tax case against them.

Lonnie Vernon, 56, a member of Schaeffer Cox’s Alaska Peacemakers Militia, and his wife,
Karen Vernon, 66, admitted conspiring to kill U.S. District Court Judge Ralph Beistline and
IRS officer Janice Stowell in 2011 in retaliation for ruling the couple owed more than
$165,000 in back taxes.
The Vernons admitted to buying a gun, silencer and hand grenades, and having a map to the
federal judge’s home.
A GUN, SILENCER AND HAND GRENADES... Tell me again that the Sovereigns
" just want to be left alone."
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Phoenix res­i­dent and Sovereign Citizen Michael Lee Crane is charged with the murders of an
elderly couple from Paradise Valley, Arizona, and a suspect in a third murder.  Trial is pending.
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Since 2002, six law enforcement officers have been killed during altercations with sovereign
citizens and another four wounded, said FBI Spokeswoman Kathleen Wright.
THEY JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE!