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Mass school bombing in 1927 puts Sandy Hook in context
By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center – 2 mins 20 secs ago

The Sandy Hook tragedy in Connecticut has horrified Americans and in some cases, opened up wounds from a similar disaster in 1927 that have yet to heal.

Aftermath of the Bath disaster. Source: Wikimedia Commons.
On Friday, a deranged gunman killed himself and 26 other people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. The dead included 20 students, and the act sparked mass mourning and outrage worldwide.
The debate over the Sandy Hook tragedy has also led to discussions about gun control, mental illness, and the media’s role in covering such a horrific story.
In particular, the debate over assault weapons and the Second Amendment will be brought to the forefront in 2013. President Barack Obama pretty much said so at a public memorial event on Sunday night.
But what if such a terrible even happened in a different time? How would people have reacted, and would there be such a public outrage or intense debate about constitutional issues?
On May 18, 1927, a part-time caretaker at a school in Bath, Michigan, killed 45 people, including 38 children, when he blew up a school and then killed himself, along with two first responders at the scene. Another 58 people were wounded.
The 38 children were in grades three through six.
The Bath School Bombing faded quickly from history. What media there was in 1927 left the town after about a week, since aviator Charles Lindbergh had started on his flight to Europe.
However, there are parallels between the Sandy Hook and Bath disasters that are worth discussing.
The killer in the Bath School Bombing, Andrew Kehoe, spent months placing explosives inside the school. He used his job as a handyman to wire together two types of explosives, in an elaborate plan to bring down the building while it was occupied with students and teachers.
Kehoe also rigged his car with explosives and shrapnel, as well as his house.
Once Kehoe blew up his own house, he used a detonator to blow up part of the school. School Superintendent Emory Huyck performed heroically, rescuing children and adults from the disaster scene. After about 30 minutes, Kehoe drove up to Huyck and motioned him over to his truck.
Kehoe then blew up the truck, killing himself, Hucyk, and several others, including a child who survived the first blast.
Investigators later found more than 500 pounds of unexploded dynamite under the school. Kehoe had intended to kill hundreds of people, mostly students, but his wiring was faulty.
Kehoe had financial problems and was upset about having to pay taxes. He had killed his own wife before blowing up his house.
But the parallels to Sandy Hook are not in the method and motivation behind Kehoe’s madness. They come from the stories of heroism and compassion.
Bath was a small town, so all pitched in to clear the rubble, find the victims, and offer assistance. Help streamed in from the neighboring town of Lansing.
Michigan’s governor arrived that afternoon and helped to cart away the rubble. During the rescue efforts, the Michigan State Police had to disarm the huge cache of explosives that never went off.
In the days that followed, contemporary accounts said more than 50,000 people descended on Bath, either to offer help or to see the disaster scene.
“Relief workers could not get in or out of the village unless accompanied by motorcycle policemen and even then they made slow time,” said one newspaper account.
In the end, the state set up a relief fund for the school, which received numerous public and private donations. One politician wrote a personal check for $75,000.
And the population of Bath, once the outsiders left, went back to farming and grieved. Unlike today, there were no 24-hour TV news cameras remaining on the scene or talk shows debating the merits of the Second Amendment.
But the wounds from the Bath School Bombing followed the survivors for generations. In recent years, people who were in the building were opening up about their experiences, as they reached their 90s.
In 2009, National Public Radio spoke with two survivors and the daughter of a third.
“You wouldn’t think a church member could do such a thing, would you?” said a 97-year-old man, Willis Cressman. “He was the caretaker of the school. In fact, I saw him that morning. He was working on a door, and he smiled at us as we walked in.”


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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like stars colliding in the universe......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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So my source is crap but your 2 sources from different decades are accurate?

You are still in denial. The children are dying from drone strikes.

Yet you fight feverishly to find a diversion from the guilt of the death of the innocent.


of course he's in denial!! The u.s. is an imperialistic war mongering country that has killed and continues to kill the innocent....brain washing their government issued soldiers in the name of GOD and COUNTRY....and what a lie!! It's never comfortable or easy to come to the realization that you have been LIED TO in the name of GOD AND COUNTRY. That you were created to become a government issued legal killing machine. It's far easier to deny it all!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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of course he's in denial!! The u.s. is an imperialistic war mongering country that has killed and continues to kill the innocent....brain washing their government issued soldiers in the name of GOD and COUNTRY....and what a lie!! It's never comfortable or easy to come to the realization that you have been LIED TO in the name of GOD AND COUNTRY. That you were created to become a government issued legal killing machine. It's far easier to deny it all!!


Bumbler you have no idea!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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of course he's in denial!! The u.s. is an imperialistic war mongering country that has killed and continues to kill the innocent....brain washing their government issued soldiers in the name of GOD and COUNTRY....and what a lie!! It's never comfortable or easy to come to the realization that you have been LIED TO in the name of GOD AND COUNTRY. That you were created to become a government issued legal killing machine. It's far easier to deny it all!!


Killing in the name of God is actually 2 sins right off his top ten list.

Serving an Earthly master and killing in God's name makes it a 3 fer.

Do it for oil and that makes it a 4 out of ten package.

If you steal the lands or goods of the country you invaded you bring it up to 5.

Bear false witness about weapons of mass destruction makes it a 6 way orgy of commandment breaking.

Doing all of the above and also killing on a Sunday makes it 7 trashed commandments.

That leaves only adultery, your neighbor's wife and your neighbor's goods.

If you count the oil as your neighbor's goods than you are up to 8.

All this commandment breaking probably doesn't leave enough time to commit the last 2, adultery and taking
your neighbor's wife.

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Killing in the name of God is actually 2 sins right off his top ten list.

Serving an Earthly master and killing in God's name makes it a 3 fer.

Do it for oil and that makes it a 4 out of ten package.

If you steal the lands or goods of the country you invaded you bring it up to 5.

Bear false witness about weapons of mass destruction makes it a 6 way orgy of commandment breaking.

Doing all of the above and also killing on a Sunday makes it 7 trashed commandments.

That leaves only adultery, your neighbor's wife and your neighbor's goods.

If you count the oil as your neighbor's goods than you are up to 8.

All this commandment breaking probably doesn't leave enough time to commit the last 2, adultery and taking
your neighbor's wife.


Oh!  A sky pilot!  
That explains a lot!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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To a Marine, honor is loyalty and dedication to God, Country, Corps, Family, and Self.

How does God even come into this equation? Does God approve of killing the innocent for power and greed? I don't think so! Using religion or spirituality is the one of the best ways to soften the blow while brainwashing. It makes it appear that they have God's stamp of approval!! It's part of the lie.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Whew!!...Now I know how Kenyans feel after running a marathon.

Trying to keep up with this pointless crossthreading is tiring.




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To a Marine, honor is loyalty and dedication to God, Country, Corps, Family, and Self.

How does God even come into this equation? Does God approve of killing the innocent for power and greed? I don't think so! Using religion or spirituality is the one of the best ways to soften the blow while brainwashing. It makes it appear that they have God's stamp of approval!! It's part of the lie.


Is bumbler a Marine?
Nope.  
He often spouts off of things he knows nothing about.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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To a Marine, honor is loyalty and dedication to God, Country, Corps, Family, and Self.

How does God even come into this equation? Does God approve of killing the innocent for power and greed? I don't think so! Using religion or spirituality is the one of the best ways to soften the blow while brainwashing. It makes it appear that they have God's stamp of approval!! It's part of the lie.


Wait just a minute. I'm contacting the atheism commission that had the word Christmas banished from all
government institutions.

God must be removed from use by the military.

God and the Bible must be removed immediately or face the wrath of the atheist coalition.

While they are at it, maybe they can separate the church and state in the courtrooms where they
swear you in using a Bible.

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Whew!!...Now I know how Kenyans feel after running a marathon.

Trying to keep up with this pointless crossthreading is tiring.


Feel free to add to the conversation, I don't believe you gave your thoughts on the issue.



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Whew!!...Now I know how Kenyans feel after running a marathon.

Trying to keep up with this pointless crossthreading is tiring.


I agree.  I tried to keep the issues to their own threads but the stampede was already in progress!

It was a day for rants and thread hijacks!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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human behavior and the laws we make based on human thought are ALWAYS cross threaded.....saying each item lives in it's own
silo is kidding yourself....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'll take that bet L4Life.  You seem to be batting 0 today with facts or bets.
1st Bn 7th Marines, 13 months as a grunt... but that doesn't fit your agenda does it L4Life.

(Your posts are full of assumptions about me as your above bet shows, and all of them wrong.)


1st Battalion 7th Marines

Five Marines from the battalion were responsible for the only war crime attributable to the Marine Corps during
the Vietnam War.
On 19 February 1970, in the village of Son Thang-4 just southwest of Danang, a five man
patrol from the unit executed five women and eleven children. One member of the team was convicted of
premeditated murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Battalion_7th_Marines
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1st Battalion 7th Marines
Five Marines from the battalion were responsible for the only war crime attributable to the Marine Corps during
the Vietnam War.
On 19 February 1970, in the village of Son Thang-4 just southwest of Danang, a five man
patrol from the unit executed five women and eleven children. One member of the team was convicted of
premeditated murder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Battalion_7th_Marines


Thanks for that information L4Life.  This is the first that I've ever heard of it.

Over 10 years with over 400,000 US Marines serving in Vietnam, and as you pointed out,
one of them committed murder.  
He's a disgrace to the Corps.


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