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I disagree.
I disagree because Cuomo already went to far, so I will oppose any new gun control legislation.
No new gun laws.

The topic is that the MAJORITY of NRA members support these 5 laws.  The VAST MAJORITY of all
Americans support these laws.
You oppose ANY NEW GUN LAWS... even ones that will save lives and prevent more mass shootings...

You have a right to your opinion, even if it is by your own admission, an extremist view, out of the
mainstream and absolute... I OPPOSE ANY NEW GUN LAW, (even before I know what that law contains).  
I'm not surprised.



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Because you gun grabbers already took reasonable off the table.



Exactly, they don't want an honest debate and that is why they pushed this garbage in NY so quick without giving the people time to even allow their voices to be heard. The townhall meeting was proof our representatives didn't represent the people, 90% there and online were against it.



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The topic is that the MAJORITY of NRA members support these 5 laws.  The VAST MAJORITY of all
Americans support these laws.
You oppose ANY NEW GUN LAWS... even ones that will save lives and prevent more mass shootings...

You have a right to your opinion, even if it is by your own admission, an extremist view, out of the
mainstream and absolute... I OPPOSE ANY NEW GUN LAW, (even before I know what that law contains).  
I'm not surprised.



I oppose any new gun laws.

I am the NRA.

You don't speak for me.

You take loaded questions from biased polls and claim to know the opinion of every NRA member.

At best, you know the opinions of everyone who chose to take part.

The rest is extrapolation of sampled data.

It is not a fact. It is a guess based on statistical probability, which is easily manipulated.

Your claim of knowing what the majority thinks can only be proven by questioning at least 51%
and them all agreeing.

Anything else is speculation and gun grabbing propaganda.

There are too many laws and restrictions already.

No new gun laws.


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Exactly, they don't want an honest debate and that is why they pushed this garbage in NY so quick without giving the people time to even allow their voices to be heard. The townhall meeting was proof our representatives didn't represent the people, 90% there and online were against it.


Funny how when you stack the deck in your favor the view of YOUR 90% matters.  When the vast majority
of New Yorkers support these laws...You disregard their views.  
Selective Outrage... the only valid opinion is when the majority at some lame town meeting agrees with
your.
You validate a few hundred people... your 90%, at the expense of most of the 19 million New Yorkers
who support these laws.




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You validate a few hundred people... your 90%, at the expense of most of the 19 million New Yorkers
who support these laws.



You don't know the thoughts of most of 19 million New Yorkers.

You continue to lie.


Propaganda.


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Funny how when you stack the deck in your favor the view of YOUR 90% matters.  When the vast majority
of New Yorkers support these laws...You disregard their views.  
Selective Outrage... the only valid opinion is when the majority at some lame town meeting agrees with
your.
You validate a few hundred people... your 90%, at the expense of most of the 19 million New Yorkers
who support these laws.





I notice not one word how they forced this through with no real discussion. Doesn't matter nobody is obeying it anyways, the law was unconstitutional and God help anyone who tries to enforce it because they will need all the help they can get



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You don't know the thoughts of most of 19 million New Yorkers.
You continue to lie.

Propaganda.



You post that you are against any new gun law (no matter how effective or how
many lives it saves.)
So if a NEW GUN LAW agrees with  every position that you agree with... YOU WILL OPPOSE IT???

You are ridiculous!  



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You don't know the thoughts of most of 19 million New Yorkers.

You continue to lie.


Propaganda.




Like I said it doesn't matter, a law nobody will obey is the last desperate move by a desperate government trying to have control over a people, they're failing.



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I notice not one word how they forced this through with no real discussion. Doesn't matter nobody is obeying it anyways, the law was unconstitutional and God help anyone who tries to enforce it because they will need all the help they can get



I (or you) can't state what WILL BE unconstitutional... we have our opinion, but our opinion is not the
final say on it's constitutionality.  Supreme court decisions, even by conservative justices, clearly
say that some gun laws are constitutional and have upheld those views in the past.

Posting that the laws are unconstitutional is your opinion... nothing more.


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I (or you) can't state what WILL BE unconstitutional... we have our opinion, but our opinion is not the
final say on it's constitutionality.  Supreme court decisions, even by conservative justices, clearly
say that some gun laws are constitutional and have upheld those views in the past.

Posting that the laws are unconstitutional is your opinion... nothing more.


I do say what is unconstitutional, I have the final say in the end, although others who disagree will have no problem using force to force their version of constitutionality on me.



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You post that you are against any new gun law (no matter how effective or how
many lives it saves.)
So if a NEW GUN LAW agrees with  every position that you agree with... YOU WILL OPPOSE IT???

You are ridiculous!  



No, it's called being a Libertarian.

It's called letting people take personal responsibility.

It's called a free society.

Not a police state where they shoot anyone they want like this is China.

There are too many laws already.

If you would like to discuss removing and replacing gun laws, that would be a totally different ballgame.

First let me be clear.

1. Anyone should be allowed to possess any weapon of their choice in their own home.

2. Carry concealed permits should require a criminal and state mental health background check.

3. No clip restrictions.

4. No weapons restrictions.

5. No carrying loaded long guns except where allowed by law, more than 500 ft from roadways or homes.

6. 2 Forms of ID for any gun purchased.

That's it. That's the way it's been for a lifetime.

If you want to do background checks on commercial sellers of firearms, or gun shows, that does not
pertain to private citizens, therefore I do not object.


Banning cars would save lives but it is equally as ridiculous to ban high performance cars, as it is
banning guns of any type.


This is still America.

We will not just quietly let you grabbers trample and deny.

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I do say what is unconstitutional, I have the final say in the end, although others who disagree will have no problem using force to force their version of constitutionality on me.


Yes Henry... You decide what is constitutional... maybe in your own kingdom, but not here in the USA.  
(Thank God For That).

I'll write the 9 supreme court justices and let them know if they want any constitutional law decided
they can contact you for the absolute decision on the matter.

(The lunatic fringe rules this little corner of the world.  A waste of time and effort.)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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I (or you) can't state what WILL BE unconstitutional... we have our opinion, but our opinion is not the
final say on it's constitutionality.  Supreme court decisions, even by conservative justices, clearly
say that some gun laws are constitutional and have upheld those views in the past.

Posting that the laws are unconstitutional is your opinion... nothing more.


Each person is obligated to assess each and every law for constitutionality.

Each person has the right to not obey any unconstitutional law, as defined by themselves.

Arresting a person for breaking an unconstitutional law is a serious offense and may be met
with deadly force.


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No, it's called being a Libertarian.

It's called letting people take personal responsibility.

It's called a free society.

Not a police state where they shoot anyone they want like this is China.

There are too many laws already.

If you would like to discuss removing and replacing gun laws, that would be a totally different ballgame.

First let me be clear.

1. Anyone should be allowed to possess any weapon of their choice in their own home.

2. Carry concealed permits should require a criminal and state mental health background check.

3. No clip restrictions.

4. No weapons restrictions.

5. No carrying loaded long guns except where allowed by law, more than 500 ft from roadways or homes.

6. 2 Forms of ID for any gun purchased.

That's it. That's the way it's been for a lifetime.

If you want to do background checks on commercial sellers of firearms, or gun shows, that does not
pertain to private citizens, therefore I do not object.


Banning cars would save lives but it is equally as ridiculous to ban high performance cars, as it is
banning guns of any type.


This is still America.

We will not just quietly let you grabbers trample and deny.



LET US GRABBERS???
This is the USA... Libertarians are a tiny fraction of a tiny segment of the fringe in this country.
Libertarians spew their views and (thank the Constitution) they have no real power... and
thank the Police and the Military that their coming insurrection that some on this board are planning
will be put down, hopefully quickly, and with as little loss of life as possible.

A waste of time and effort.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Yes Henry... You decide what is constitutional... maybe in your own kingdom, but not here in the USA.  
(Thank God For That).

I'll write the 9 supreme court justices and let them know if they want any constitutional law decided
they can contact you for the absolute decision on the matter.

(The lunatic fringe rules this little corner of the world.  A waste of time and effort.)


The Supreme Court does not define constitutionality of any law.

It merely makes a decision as to the constitutionality of the case presented to them.




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