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Ban families, save lives.



Only makes sense.  They are probably NRA members and listen to right wing radio too.  The dots are there to connect.


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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Posted: 5:21 a.m. Monday, Feb. 11, 2013

Father, son shot in Tukwila home invasion

TUKWILA, Wash. —

A father and son were shot during a home invasion in Tukwila Monday morning.



According to police, officers responded just after 1 a.m. for reports of a home invasion where a
man in his 50s had been shot in the chest and his 20-year-old son was shot in the leg at an
apartment complex near  the intersection of South 158th Street and 39th Place South.



Police said they did not know the motive for the shooting, but said there was some type of
struggle between the homeowner and the suspect before the shooting.



Police set up a perimeter around the apartment complex and quickly took the suspect into
custody without incident.


Police say the suspect was also injured during the incident.



Both father and son were transported to Harborview Medical Center and are expected to survive.
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Police arrest man they say shot robbery victim
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2 hours ago  •  By the Lincoln Journal Star

Lincoln police on Friday captured the teenager they believe shot a man a week and a half ago
during a failed robbery.

Alontae Aaron Ramone Ross, 17, and Luis Alberto Diaz, 18, allegedly burst into an apartment in
the 1800 block of Garfield Street about 11:30 a.m. on Jan. 31 and demanded money, Lincoln
Police Officer Katie Flood said.

The residents there refused and Ross allegedly shot a 28-year-old man in the stomach, Flood said.
Ross and Diaz were acquainted with the victim, she added.

Officers pulled Ross over around 8 p.m. Friday near 44th and Calvert streets during a traffic
stop, Flood said. They jailed him in the Lancaster County Youth Services Center on suspicion
of first-degree assault, attempted robbery and using a firearm to commit a felony.

A day later, they pulled Diaz over about 3 p.m. at Sun Valley Boulevard and West O Street,
Flood said. They jailed him on suspicion of attempted robbery as well as aiding and abetting
first-degree assault.

Flood said the 28-year-old shooting victim survived his wounds and was released from the hospital.
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72-Year-Old Woman Shot 3 Times In Her Home Of 40 Years
Feb 9, 2013


72 year old woman shot in detroitA gunman broke into a 72-year-old woman’s home around 5 a.m. Friday, shot her three times and fled the scene, Fox 2 News Detroit reports.

Though, the heavy snow that fell over the city the night before may have helped the cops nab the suspect. Fresh foot prints in the snow lead police directly to an abandoned home several blocks away. The side door was open. Cops then followed wet foot prints on the floor to an old furnace box where they found a 23-year-old male hiding inside and arrested him.

The woman, identified by Channel News 4 Detroit as Thelma Truesdale, is hospitalized in serious condition. She lived in the home for 45 years.

(Reports vary on the exact number of years she has lived in the home. Fox 2 News says nearly 40 years. )

Scott Jackson, 18, who lives in the neighborhood, says he is disgusted by the shooting.

“That should never happen, they should get a job,” Jackson said. “These young guys need to get out here and shovel some snow and do something constructive with themselves instead of hurting these women, these old ladies… you know…it’s not right.”

April Robinson, who also lives in the neighborhood, was surprised by the shooting.

“The area’s good, the neighbors are good, people look out for each other..(sigh)…it’s just sometimes you think you feel safe, you want to be safe, but then there’s other people who doesn’t care… they don’t care.”

Crain’s Detroit Business reports the city recorded 386 criminal homicides in 2012, up from 344 in 2011. Though, when compared to 2011, Detroit did see a 2.63 percent dip in major crimes last year, which included aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, unlawful driving away of an automobile, rape and robbery.

But the city is not getting off to a very good start in 2013; Detroit has already recorded 32 homicides as of Feb. 3, according to statistics provided by the Detroit Police Department.

Ike Betts, a Detroit resident, has a fatalistic perspective on the violence that is troubling his hometown: “In the city of Detroit, you hear gunshots, but in the city of Detroit, that’s like a doorbell. You don’t really pay it too much mind like if you were staying in Bloomfield or Ferndale (both suburbs of Detroit).”
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Three charged in Buffalo home invasion

Updated: Monday, 11 Feb 2013, 10:46 AM EST
Published : Monday, 11 Feb 2013, 10:46 AM EST

    Posted by: Emily Lenihan

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - Three men were arraigned Monday morning, after a horrifying home burglary that happened on December 9th in Buffalo.

The Erie County District Attorney’s Office says 19-year-old Luis Ayala-Pizarro, 21-year-old Carlos Morales-Alvarez and 23-year-old Kelvin Viera-Morales are charged with first-degree burglary and first-degree robbery. The men allegedly invaded a home, bound a husband and wife with duct tape, revealed a revolver and demanded money.

The DA’s Office says the upstairs tenants in the home saw the three men enter the home, and called police who surrounded the home and apprehended the suspects.

If convicted, each defendant could face a maximum prison sentence of 25 years.

Copyright WIVB.com
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One injured during early morning home invasion in Evansville

    By Richard Gootee
    Posted February 11, 2013 at 7:25 a.m., updated February 11, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.


EVANSVILLE — Evansville police are still searching for two suspects in a reported home invasion that resulted in one person being shot early Monday morning.

Investigators have announced that they believe a person inside a home where the incident took place Monday let the two suspects inside the residence in the 2200 block of Pollack Avenue.

That person, a female who has not been located or publicly identified by police, left the home after the reported incident. Police responded to a call about the just after 4:15 a.m.

According to an Evansville Police Department news release, there were a total of four people (including the woman) inside the home when two suspects came in and demanded that the group get on the floor. According to the release, the three other people inside the home at the time told police they believe the woman had been talking to the two suspects on the phone before the incident.

According to the release, Travis Smith, one of the people inside at the home, told police one of the suspects put a gun in his face. He reportedly then tried to swat it away. At that time, Smith said the suspect fired four shots at him, striking him in the hand and shoulder, according to the release.

Smith was taken to St. Mary’s Medical Center for treatment. His injuries are non-life threatening, according to police.
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Home Invasion/Crime

Property Crime Facts:

— According to the FBI in the US: http://www.fbi.gov

o One property crime happens every 3 seconds.
o One burglary occurs every 10 seconds.
o One violent crime occurs every 20 seconds.
o One aggravated assault occurs every 35 seconds.
o One robbery occurs every 60 seconds, or 1 minute.
o One forcible rape occurs every 2 minutes.
o There were over 2 million burglaries in 2005.
o An increase in burglary offenses was the only property crime to
increase in 2005 compared with the prior year data.


Home Invasion Facts:

o According to a United States Department of Justice report:

§ 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

§ 1 of every 5 homes will experience a breakin or home invasion.

That's over 2,000,000 homes!


o Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America

That is 10 per minute


o According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions
annually between 1994 and 2000.
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BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD SUBJECT...

Some on this board seem to be obsessed by a consuming love of "COPS"... but the subject of this thread
was Gun Laws that are supported by a majority of NRA members, as well as most Americans.
Unless the object of the hundreds of COPS stories is a POST HIJACK, the topic was/is:

NRA Members Support Gun Control

According to a poll conducted in May by Republican pollster Frank Luntz, NRA members, overwhelmingly
support measures typically described as “gun control:

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1. Requiring criminal background checks on gun owners and gun shop employees.
87 percent of non-NRA gun-owners and 74 percent of NRA gun owners support the former,
and 80 percent and 79 percent, respectively, endorse the latter.

2. Prohibiting terrorist watch list members from acquiring guns.
Support ranges from 80 percent among non-NRA gun-owners to 71 percent among NRA members.

3. Mandating that gun-owners tell the police when their gun is stolen.
71 percent non-NRA gun-owners support this measure, as do 64 percent of NRA members.

4. Concealed carry permits should only be restricted to individuals who have completed a safety
training course and are 21 and older.
84 percent of non-NRA and 74 percent of NRA member gun-owners support the safety training
restriction, and the numbers are 74 percent and 63 percent for the age restriction.

5. Concealed carry permits shouldn’t be given to perpetrators of violent misdemeanors or
individuals arrested for domestic violence.
The NRA/non-NRA gun-owner split on these issues is 81 percent and 75 percent in favor of the
violent misdemeanors provision and 78 percent/68 percent in favor of the domestic violence restriction.


America supports these gun control measures... no amount of DRAMA on the part of OCD posters will
change that fact.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD SUBJECT...

Some on this board seem to be obsessed by a consuming love of "COPS"... but the subject of this thread
was Gun Laws that are supported by a majority of NRA members, as well as most Americans.
Unless the object of the hundreds of COPS stories is a POST HIJACK, the topic was/is:

NRA Members Support Gun Control

According to a poll conducted in May by Republican pollster Frank Luntz, NRA members, overwhelmingly
support measures typically described as “gun control:



America supports these gun control measures... no amount of DRAMA on the part of OCD posters will
change that fact.


unfortunately SOME Americans do...because their line of thought was given them from the outset of their public
schooling and the metal threads woven into their grey matter so that at anytime they can be pulled to slice and dice
their own personhood.....

you will reap what you sow....if it's fear and a 'common' enemy that you were told exists then by all means, make cake

the DRAMA which took play in Newtown is sad....but that's life and we are that fallible regardless of laws that pretend
to know what the crytal ball says....


"we have decreased FUTURE alcohol related vehicle deaths by 10%"
"we have decreased FUTURE gun related deaths by 10%"
"we have decreased FUTURE knife related murders by 10%"

are ya gettin' it yet?????

they are YOUR gods.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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unfortunately SOME Americans do...because their line of thought was given them from the outset of their public
schooling and the metal threads woven into their grey matter so that at anytime they can be pulled to slice and dice
their own personhood.....

you will reap what you sow....if it's fear and a 'common' enemy that you were told exists then by all means, make cake

the DRAMA which took play in Newtown is sad....but that's life and we are that fallible regardless of laws that pretend
to know what the crytal ball says....


"we have decreased FUTURE alcohol related vehicle deaths by 10%"
"we have decreased FUTURE gun related deaths by 10%"
"we have decreased FUTURE knife related murders by 10%"

are ya gettin' it yet?????

they are YOUR gods.....


Another incoherent reply!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD SUBJECT...

Some on this board seem to be obsessed by a consuming love of "COPS"... but the subject of this thread
was Gun Laws that are supported by a majority of NRA members, as well as most Americans.
Unless the object of the hundreds of COPS stories is a POST HIJACK, the topic was/is:


Only pro-gun control posts are on topic?

My reasons for not enacting gun control are on topic.

Quoted Text

Home Invasion/Crime

Property Crime Facts:

— According to the FBI in the US: http://www.fbi.gov

o One property crime happens every 3 seconds.
o One burglary occurs every 10 seconds.
o One violent crime occurs every 20 seconds.
o One aggravated assault occurs every 35 seconds.
o One robbery occurs every 60 seconds, or 1 minute.
o One forcible rape occurs every 2 minutes.
o There were over 2 million burglaries in 2005.
o An increase in burglary offenses was the only property crime to
increase in 2005 compared with the prior year data.


Home Invasion Facts:

o According to a United States Department of Justice report:

§ 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

§ 1 of every 5 homes will experience a breakin or home invasion.

That's over 2,000,000 homes!

o Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America

That is 10 per minute


o According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions
annually between 1994 and 2000.






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Only pro-gun control posts are on topic?
My reasons for not enacting gun control are on topic.


No they are not.  
The thread is about reasonable gun control measures.  If you are a law abiding citizen, nothing in
these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.  
You just keep playing your COPS theme so long that you lose all track of what you are posting:

1. Requiring criminal background checks on gun owners and gun shop employees. has nothing
to do with your posts and nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.

2. Prohibiting terrorist watch list members from acquiring guns. Unless you are a 'terrorist',
nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.  

3. Mandating that gun-owners tell the police when their gun is stolen.
nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.  

4. Concealed carry permits should only be restricted to individuals who have completed a safety
training course and are 21 and older.
Unless you are 20 or a teen...
nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.

5. Concealed carry permits shouldn't be given to perpetrators of violent misdemeanors or
individuals arrested for domestic violence.

Unless you are a violent criminal or domestic abuser...
nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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No they are not.  
The thread is about reasonable gun control measures.  If you are a law abiding citizen, nothing in
these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.  
You just keep playing your COPS theme so long that you lose all track of what you are posting:

1. Requiring criminal background checks on gun owners and gun shop employees. has nothing
to do with your posts and nothing in these controls will inhibit you from your sacred HOME DEFENSE.



I disagree.

I am the NRA and I don't support your gun control ideas, because you lump too much stuff together.

I disagree because I do not wish the government to have a massive database containing the
name and address of every gun.

I disagree because Cuomo already went to far, so I will oppose any new gun control legislation.

No new gun laws.

Because you gun grabbers already took reasonable off the table.







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